I have another question skank? Has mighty Massillon ever been busted for violations?

rmolin73;1065759 wrote:Dude its the internet I don't take it serious enough to get frustrated like you do. Southview is a new D1 program we figured it out in D2 and we will figure it out in D1. While Massillon is fading into obscurity. One question though how has big brother McKinley been able to win 3 titles? You all can't beat the public schools to make it to the privates.

Sorry, when someone resorts to name calling, they're getting frustrated.

Yeah, one of the smallest DI schools in the state playing in 4 semi finals in the past decade, losing a state title game to a PAROCHIAL school TWICE our size by 7 pts....And we're "fading into obscurity."

Again fellas, look at the big picture. Massillon has made it deep enough, I would say more than most.

State Semi's in
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Yeah, no success there. If we didn't beat publics to get there, (and a few parochials too), who did we beat?

rmolin73;1065785 wrote:I have another question skank? Has mighty Massillon ever been busted for violations?

Haven't we covered this?

I find it funny that shitty parochial schools are not crying about any sort of unfair advantage. I'll use skank's post as an example. If students from all of those areas are in fact going to St. Ed's, that means they are taking students away from, not only public schools in those areas, but private schools as well. Skank complains a lot about St. X and Moeller. If they are taking all these students, that means that it is also adversely affecting schools like Purcell Marian and Roger Bacon. Yet, you don't ever hear of those schools complaining about an unfair advantage that X and Moeller have. Steubenville Central Catholic people don't cry that the better football players go to Steubenville. St. Peter Chanel fans aren't claiming that the other Cleveland area private schools have some crazy advantage. So why is it that it's just the public schools that never win anything the most vocal about it? Wouldn't reason suggest that the private schools that never win anything...who are also losing students to these big bad private schools stealing any and all students available...also be upset about this? Yet, they aren't.

Sherm its the whole entitlement mentality that society has today.

rmolin73;1065831 wrote:Sherm its the whole entitlement mentality that society has today.

I agree. Most of the people calling for a separation don't agree that a State Title is something that not everyone should experience. Everyone should get a blue ribbon. Everyone is a winner. It's ridiculous.

sherm03;1065843 wrote:I agree. Most of the people calling for a separation don't agree that a State Title is something that not everyone should experience. Everyone should get a blue ribbon. Everyone is a winner. It's ridiculous.

Skank just posted Massillons tournament history and he even made the comment that it is better than most. It is an impressive history to say the least. But since there isn't a title in Massillon won on the field. He wants to remove the private schools so that the path is easier.

rmolin73;1065852 wrote:He wants to remove the private schools so that the path is easier.

They'll still lose

They're over

Watch out Rocket he will segway to your schedule.

sherm03;1065802 wrote:I find it funny that ****ty parochial schools are not crying about any sort of unfair advantage. I'll use skank's post as an example. If students from all of those areas are in fact going to St. Ed's, that means they are taking students away from, not only public schools in those areas, but private schools as well. Skank complains a lot about St. X and Moeller. If they are taking all these students, that means that it is also adversely affecting schools like Purcell Marian and Roger Bacon. Yet, you don't ever hear of those schools complaining about an unfair advantage that X and Moeller have. Steubenville Central Catholic people don't cry that the better football players go to Steubenville. St. Peter Chanel fans aren't claiming that the other Cleveland area private schools have some crazy advantage. So why is it that it's just the public schools that never win anything the most vocal about it? Wouldn't reason suggest that the private schools that never win anything...who are also losing students to these big bad private schools stealing any and all students available...also be upset about this? Yet, they aren't.

That's quite a reach there sherm. They'll probably just turn around and steal them away from someone else.

rmolin73;1065831 wrote:Sherm its the whole entitlement mentality that society has today.

Nope, there is a difference in entitlement and wanting a fair, level playing field.

skank;1066127 wrote:Nope, there is a difference in entitlement and wanting a fair, level playing field.

Big brother McKinley can get it done why can't you?

rmolin73;1065852 wrote:Skank just posted Massillons tournament history and he even made the comment that it is better than most. It is an impressive history to say the least. But since there isn't a title in Massillon won on the field. He wants to remove the private schools so that the path is easier.

More fair....Not easier.

rmolin73;1066065 wrote:Watch out Rocket he will segway to your schedule.

That's for later, when I have more time....But it's for a whole other reason.

skank;1066127 wrote:Nope, there is a difference in entitlement and wanting a fair, level playing field.

It is a entitlement mentality, but it's more so a redistribution of wealth that skank is seeking. You know take from the great programs and give to the not so great programs.

skank;1066131 wrote:More fair....Not easier.

Life isn't fair. What are you all teaching those kids in Massillon.

skank;1066124 wrote:That's quite a reach there sherm. They'll probably just turn around and steal them away from someone else.

Quite a stretch? Seriously? How is it a stretch?

If what you posted is true...which you clearly believe to be so because you have posted information for three different private schools...then it would mean the big D1 private schools are not only "stealing" players from public schools in the area, but also other smaller private schools in the area. Yet, down here in Cincinnati, I never hear Roger Bacon fans, or Purcell Marian fans, complain that things aren't fair. There are a number of cases where the public schools in town is better than the private school, like Steubenville and Bellaire. I have never heard a fan of Tuscarawas Central Catholic complain that it isn't fair that they would have to go through Delphos St. John's to get a shot at the title.

So why do you think that is skank? Why is it just the public school fans that have such a problem with the current set up? Shouldn't the private schools that are also losing students to these big bad D1 private schools be just as upset? Please explain how this is a stretch. I'd LOVE to hear it...

The debate here does seem to be more about entitlement/nonentitlement than it does public/private. I am a public school guy, but I don't believe in the idea that everyone should be given a trophy. Massillon was awarded many mythical titles, so I imagine that is part of the reason that skank feels that they should still be given titles. They were spoiled in the era when people would just guess who was the best instead of actually having to earn titles.

skank;1066124 wrote:... They'll probably just turn around and steal them away from someone else.

It wouldn't be stealing. They are kids. They are not objects that are owned.

Skank you'll be happy to know that they may add a 7th division splitting D1 into two divisions. It was discussed today at the meeting.

landshark0731;1066510 wrote:Skank you'll be happy to know that they may add a 7th division splitting D1 into two divisions. It was discussed today at the meeting.

Skank won't be happy until they add enough divisions so Massillon can finally win a title. Of course that means they may have to be in their own division. There's an idea, let everything status quo and put Massillon in a division by themselves.

Dean Wormer;1066842 wrote:Skank won't be happy until they add enough divisions so Massillon can finally win a title. Of course that means they may have to be in their own division. There's an idea, let everything status quo and put Massillon in a division by themselves.

I like it.

skank;1066883 wrote:I like it.

You would.

skank;1065794 wrote:Sorry, when someone resorts to name calling, they're getting frustrated.

Yeah, one of the smallest DI schools in the state playing in 4 semi finals in the past decade, losing a state title game to a PAROCHIAL school TWICE our size by 7 pts....And we're "fading into obscurity."

Again fellas, look at the big picture. Massillon has made it deep enough.

So let me get this straight. If you believe that the runner up trophy is "deep enough" I know why you guys lose. At Mooney it's not good enough to just get there you have to win. The Tigers should try it some time.

Dean Wormer;1067080 wrote:So let me get this straight. If you believe that the runner up trophy is "deep enough" I know why you guys lose. At Mooney it's not good enough to just get there you have to win. The Tigers should try it some time.

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Where did I say it was, "deep enough"? You quoted me as saying it was, deep enough", where did I say that?

My point was that it's far from obscurity, especially having 500 some boys, playing a school that has 1100 some. But you knew that, didn't you?

You're right, it's not good enough at Mooney, and it shouldn't be at Ursuline either....Division I schools playing so low in division HAD BETTER win it more than they lose it. But you know THAT too, don't you?