Thinthickbigred;1042992 wrote:The facts are private schools such as Mooney and Ursulin can openly recruit athletes without consequenses and its almost impossible to proove because they are private schools . open enrollment isnt even close to comparing the advatages that those schools have .Not only that ,those schools go far beyond just bordering school districts . the point is that Ursulin who is a D-5 team puts a D-1 team on the field yet they play for a D-5 championship . Mooney is a D-3 school eho as well puts a D-1 team on the field and plays for a D-3 championship . We need at the very lerast a multiplyer for super succesful programs . Ive said it before if Big Red fits that criteria Im fine with it as well . Im not talking out both sides of my mouth . The very larg catholic schools are a problem for the larg public schools and Im not really sure what to do about them maybe we do need a seperate playoff system . I would not have just one catholic school playoff Id have two Big school and small school . That way your smaller juggernauts like Newark Catholic and Delphos St John would be in one maybe even with Ursulin although Ursulin is better then those school i think . We need something done with the system becuse it is broken and I am thinking of not Big Red in this equation so much but for the public schools that just dont have a chance against those Mooney's . i know we at Big Red do stand a chance against them but we are in the very small minority
OK...I'm going to be civil with my response here. Hopefully it helps you see the other side of the viewpoint.
I know that you THINK that Mooney and Ursuline recruit the best players, and have kids from all over the state. But truthfully, they don't. My dad coaches the 7th grade South Catholic team (the team that is made up of the Mooney feeder schools). He coached just about every kid on that state championship team when they were in the 7th grade. I'm not going to sit here and say that kids do not transfer in from public schools. They do. But that goes both ways, too. I have said before, when I was in 8th grade, our star QB on the South Catholic team decided to go to Boardman (and then went on to play ball at YSU) and our center decided to go to Boardman (and went on to play in the NFL). My point is, I think you have an over inflated view of where these kids come from. Yes, a lot come from the suburbs to Mooney. But that is because there are hardly any people living in Youngstown any more. Of those kids coming from the suburbs...I would venture to say that 95% of them are from parochial grade schools.
To your point about having a multiplier for successful programs, I've said before...I don't care where you put Mooney. They will play, and I believe will continue to do well. My problem with your idea is this, why do you want to penalize teams for being good? A state championship is not something that everyone
should get to experience. It's a special thing. By forcing good teams up in an effort "to make things fair" you are essentially sending the message that it's not fair that the good teams are there and they should be forced to compete elsewhere. I think that's the wrong message to send to these students. What exactly does that teach them? I don't like the idea of penalizing a team just because they are good. I have no problem with adding a multiplier for schools that get kids from outside of their feeder system. But to penalize a team for being good is just a strange and odd concept to me.
Maybe you can defend that in a different way. Why should we take a good teams like Steubenville or Mooney and move them up a division or two?