queencitybuckeye;575286 wrote:Sorry, can't see "fair" beyond our public school trophy case. A bunch of them are really shiny and say "state champions" on them. Be sure to keep telling your kids they can't accomplish this, it makes it that much easier for ours to keep winning them.

Anyway, this is all you really needed to say.

skank;575050 wrote:A little justice for all the publics.

I especially love the quote from EC's current starting QB, "when I came in as a freshman."
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/11/24/high-school-football-elyria-catholic-football-gets-three-years-probation-for-recruiting-violations/

Maybe you didn't see it, no prob....I'll post it again.

Hint: It's the writing in blue.

"Fair" is where one goes to see a butter celebrity. It's for some unknown reason used in the context of sports by fans of "used to be" and "never were" programs. Like yours.

The reality is the people that bitch the most have no interest in fairness. They want the system jimmied to get their school an unfair advantage. If it screws those currently on top, so much the better.

skank;575294 wrote:Maybe you didn't see it, no prob....I'll post it again.

Hint: It's the writing in blue.

Well, I can see why a dogshit program like your bumbling slapdicks would be concerned about a powerhouse like Elyria Catholic.

queencitybuckeye;575295 wrote:"Fair" is where one goes to see a butter celebrity. It's for some unknown reason used in the context of sports by fans of "used to be" and "never were" programs. Like yours.

The reality is the people that bitch the most have no interest in fairness. They want the system jimmied to get their school an unfair advantage. If it screws those currently on top, so much the better.

And your school is?

Have you even been paying attention? "jimmied to get their school an unfair advantage"? Nope, not at all, just even across the board. If The St. Edward coaching staff and the Ignatius coaching staff and the Benedictine coaching staff are allowed to hold combines and take notes on the performances of potential 8th graders, let us all....OR MAKE THEM STOP. It's just that simple.

If wanting Ignatius, Eds, Benedictine, St, Joe....Etc, to quit recruiting kids is "wanting an unfair advantage"....sign me up.

queencitybuckeye;575299 wrote:Well, I can see why a dogshit program like your bumbling slapdicks would be concerned about a powerhouse like Elyria Catholic.

My goodness you are slow, You think....that I think, that EC is the only school doing this? Trust me, Iggy, Edward, Benedictine, so on and so forth, have perfected this act.

skank;575304 wrote:My goodness you are slow, You think....that I think, that EC is the only school doing this? Trust me, Iggy, Edward, Benedictine, so on and so forth, have perfected this act.

So since one program was "convicted", it is some evidence of guilt for a bunch of other schools? Fine. Are you aware that two kids from Massillon were arrested yesterday? If your logic holds, it must mean that every kid in the school is a criminal. If one is reasonable, so is the other. The other alternative is hypocrisy. Which is it?

All the good ones do it ..

fish82;574235 wrote:As I stated before, I'm a public school guy. I'm just not as whiny as you people. As sherm03 has stated clearly for you, the publics dominate the lower divisions.


You just suggested moving all the privates to D1. Did I read it wrong?

Ok let me try again. See spot. See spot run. ... See Jane. See Jane sit. ... lesson two there is difference between literary intent and intending literally. So to answer your question. Yes. Let me know if further explanation is required.

fish82;574235 wrote:There were no small private schools in 1972? Really? :rolleyes:

I am sure there were. In what manner does that pertain to guideline inequity? Unless you are now comprehending the OHSAA's lack of action?!?!

fish82;574235 wrote:So you're on record as calling for Ursuline to be dealt with somehow prior to 2007?

Absolutely on record long before 2007 for the guideline disparity between publics and privates. Ursuline is just the poster child of a bigger problem.

fish82;574235 wrote:Tell ya what, Sparky...you tell us how they're not fair in student admittance. If they're so damn shady, I'm sure there are numerous examples of them "abusing" the rules. Please list them...I'll wait.

"sparky" lol, name calling how original. Shady is your word not mine. Daftness abounds in the fish bowl! I fear any effort will be wasted but I shall endeavor. Well wait a second answer these questions so as to not waste time. Do you really honestly believe Ursuline will take any student with no regard to their circumstances? Do you believe the state of Ohio holds them to the same guidelines for admittance as their public neighbors? Do you believe the state would direct them to enroll academically challenged nonathletic students? Do they have a geographical district from which they must accept EVERY student no matter their ability or inability? Their abuse is the unadulterated selection process afforded them by the lack of state admittance guidelines. A selection process which they use to their 'full advantage'.

sherm03;574373 wrote:This is what I'm trying to make people realize. It is not 20% of the teams winning 42% of the titles. There are 361 teams in divisions 4-6. Obviously things adjust higher or lower throughout the years...so we will say 360 to make it a round number. EIGHT teams account for 42% of the titles. Four of those teams are private, four are public. That means that 2% of the teams in divisions 4-6 account for 42% of the titles! I'll say it again...good programs breed good programs. Steubenville will always have a good team. So will Mooney, Coldwater, Iggy, Versailles, etc. The people who are upset with Ursuline for doing so well in division 5 should be just as upset with the public schools that do well in those divisions year in and year out.

I agree good programs succeed. We still differ however in that it is not solely the program but also how and what talent feeds the program. Therein lies the issue. Inequities in the resolute guidelines that govern public school admittance vs the dearth of state guidelines governing private school admittance. Small rural public schools even with a good program are at the mercy of the talent in the very small district population pool. They have no choice but to accept anyone within the district period and most get no open enrollment. Schools like Ursuline can attain what talent they can draw to the school from a relatively huge regional population source with no control on whom is taken and whom is rebuffed.

queencitybuckeye;575295 wrote:... They want the system jimmied to get their school an unfair advantage. ...

How absolutely farcical coming from a private supporter. By all means disregard the fact this is precisely what privates enjoy today with regards to guidelines controlling admittance and enrollment.

skank;575304 wrote:My goodness you are slow, You think....that I think, that EC is the only school doing this? Trust me, Iggy, Edward, Benedictine, so on and so forth, have perfected this act.

EC messed up. The best way is to just invite them to your school for a pizza and ice cream party with free door prizes! Then you are free to talk to them all you want.

tsst_fballfan;575737 wrote:How absolutely farcical coming from a private supporter. By all means disregard the fact this is precisely what privates enjoy today with regards to guidelines controlling admittance and enrollment.

I'll state for at least the third time that my school is very much public. As was the one where I achieved a level of reading comprehension that you seem to lack.

queencitybuckeye;575744 wrote:I'll state for at least the third time that my school is very much public. As was the one where I achieved a level of reading comprehension that you seem to lack.

Yes for sure the reading comprehension issue resides with me. I stated support not attend. Your posts in this thread clearly support the private side of the debate.

support - 1. a person or thing that supports. 2. an adherent, or advocate.

attend - 1. to be present at

I support shutting up and playing, you support whining "no fair" like a 4 year-old.

queencitybuckeye;575778 wrote:I support shutting up and playing, you support whining "no fair" like a 4 year-old.

Quality post thanks for adding to the best of your ability!

I agree. There was quality in that post. The brevity and clarity made it better than most others on here.

tsst fballfan, thank you for your insight into this matter. I love it when the best some can come up with is name calling. I have said it before, the small privates in large urban areas receive and advantage of PLAYING DOWN in competition because they do not allow a percentage of the population to attend, therefore, unattentionally an advantage in lower enrollment.

Con_Alma;575789 wrote:I agree. There was quality in that post. The brevity and clarity made it better than most others on here.

Too bad the brevity and clarity in this case also resemble to vexation and invalidity rather than actual discourse. :shrugs:

tsst_fballfan;575733 wrote: "sparky" lol, name calling how original. Shady is your word not mine. Daftness abounds in the fish bowl! I fear any effort will be wasted but I shall endeavor. Well wait a second answer these questions so as to not waste time. Do you really honestly believe Ursuline will take any student with no regard to their circumstances? Do you believe the state of Ohio holds them to the same guidelines for admittance as their public neighbors? Do you believe the state would direct them to enroll academically challenged nonathletic students? Do they have a geographical district from which they must accept EVERY student no matter their ability or inability? Their abuse is the unadulterated selection process afforded them by the lack of state admittance guidelines. A selection process which they use to their 'full advantage'.

So what you're saying is....you have NO examples or any proof. Just "do you believe?" bullshit. Got it. Super case you've made there, Matlock.

^^^calling him Matlock? Looks to me like he knows football...the way the system is unfaily stacked and played. You know it, we know it, everybody knows it. "Privates" your time will come.

Be Nice;576116 wrote:^^^calling him Matlock? Looks to me like he knows football...the way the system is unfaily stacked and played. You know it, we know it, everybody knows it. "Privates" your time will come.

He doesn't know shit. I've asked several times for a specific example of a school enrolling a football player that didn't pass the entrance exam...or an example of a football player receiving a scholarship who didn't earn it on said entrance exam. I have yet to see one. All I see is more foot stomping and crying.

redstreak one;575835 wrote:tsst fballfan, thank you for your insight into this matter. I love it when the best some can come up with is name calling. I have said it before, the small privates in large urban areas receive and advantage of PLAYING DOWN in competition because they do not allow a percentage of the population to attend, therefore, unattentionally an advantage in lower enrollment.

So you people want to bend 25 schools over the couch and stick it to them because 3 schools have won some titles. Farking brilliant. :rolleyes:

fish82;576084 wrote:So what you're saying is....you have NO examples or any proof. Just "do you believe?" bullshit. Got it. Super case you've made there, Matlock.

Again with the name calling does that help when you have no substance to your posts?

Incorrect fish. It is absolutely factual. The publics factually have an assigned district and privates don't. The publics factually have to take any and all students in their assigned district per state law. The publics factually cannot select only the students that will benefit their school. The privates factually can rebuff any student they choose with no recourse from the state. The privates can factually offer tuition assistance to any student they wish with no control from the state. The privates can factually turn away any student that may compromise their high academic standards. The publics factually must accept even the worst students in their district by state law.

fish82;576135 wrote:He doesn't know shit. I've asked several times for a specific example of a school enrolling a football player that didn't pass the entrance exam...or an example of a football player receiving a scholarship who didn't earn it on said entrance exam. I have yet to see one. All I see is more foot stomping and crying.

Since there are no state controlled standards or accountability for privates admittance and enrollment, specific examples could only be given by the private school. I'm sure that will happen. Though there have been recent star athletes at privates that after graduating could not score high enough on an ACT to get into college, or could not even graduate high school. Go figure though they sure could help win state championships.

Though every once and awhile one gets caught, even this year.