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Nov 16, 2010 8:28 PM
Big Gain;561672 wrote:Meaningless games are meaningless. Big games and Big Ten games, Matta is only playing 6 players, unless there's foul trouble.

Meaningless games are not meaningless with you have this many frosh who need to learn how to play. And those games will get those guys the experience they need to play in the bigger games. Thomas will play, mark it down. And I think Siebert, although not a lot, will earn some time as well. And I wouldn't even count out L. Smith either once he has had more practice time from his injury. We'll see.
Nov 16, 2010 8:28pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:28 PM
Still though, 8 turnovers is a great stat. Even when they were breaking the press, they weren't making dumb passes that lead to turnovers.
Nov 16, 2010 8:28pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:28 PM
Craft led the team in turnovers with 3. Almost half of the team's 8.


For a frosh PG playing in a big game, his 2nd game of his career, against a pressing/ pressure defense...still pretty damn good.
He also had 5 assists. That's almost 2-1. Can't be mad at that
Nov 16, 2010 8:28pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:31 PM
centralbucksfan;561667 wrote:First of all, Sully played a very good game. But he wasn't very good defensively. AND, most of his points were on transition dunks. The perimeter guys deserve A LOT of credit for getting him the ball for many easy dunks/layups. It won't be that easy for him in the Big Ten where most games turn into defensive slugfest in the half court. Dononvan was stupid for staying with the press in the second half. Live and die with it. OSU carved it up big time.

He's also stupid for not doubling Sully AT ALL in the 2nd half. I've never been impressed with Donavan's coaching. He recruited one great class.
Nov 16, 2010 8:31pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:32 PM
wildcats20;561680 wrote:He also had 5 assists. That's almost 2-1. Can't be mad at that
It was Buford with 8 of the 22 assists to lead the team.
Nov 16, 2010 8:32pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:34 PM
He also had 5 assists. That's almost 2-1. Can't be mad at that


It was Buford with 5 of the 22 assists to lead the team.
My box score on my score mobile app has Craft with 5.
Nov 16, 2010 8:34pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:34 PM
centralbucksfan;561677 wrote:Meaningless games are not meaningless with you have this many frosh who need to learn how to play. And those games will get those guys the experience they need to play in the bigger games. Thomas will play, mark it down. And I think Siebert, although not a lot, will earn some time as well. And I wouldn't even count out L. Smith either once he has had more practice time from his injury. We'll see.
In last year's "meaningless games" how many players did Matta play? How many did he play once the Big Ten season started?
Nov 16, 2010 8:34pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:35 PM
Big Gain;561675 wrote:Fact. Craft had 3 of the 8. The REAL impressive part is the other 6 players who played had a total of 5 turnovers. AMAZING. Seniors.
I never realized how completely lost you are when it comes to sports, until tonight. There are ZERO meaningless games for freshman. Craft played point for 29 mins, handling the ball much more than anyone else. He had two turnovers in garbage time on charges that were questionable at best.
Nov 16, 2010 8:35pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:36 PM
Big Gain;561685 wrote:It was Buford with 5 of the 22 assists to lead the team.

Buford had 8 assts. Craft had 5. Buford got many of those as the outlet man on the press after Craft broke it.
Nov 16, 2010 8:36pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:36 PM
wildcats20;561686 wrote:My box score on my score mobile app has Craft with 5.
My came from the official game stats supplied to the Ohio State announcers who did the game on the radio
Nov 16, 2010 8:36pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:36 PM
Big Gain;561685 wrote:It was Buford with 5 of the 22 assists to lead the team.

ESPN shows Buford led the team with 8 assists.
Nov 16, 2010 8:36pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:37 PM
Big Gain;561687 wrote:In last year's "meaningless games" how many players did Matta play? How many did he play once the Big Ten season started?

Come on, your smart enough to realize that after Simmons, there was NO ONE ELSE to turn too! And even Simmons was a stretch at times. Matta has talent he can turn to on the bench now. He didn't have any talent on the bench last year.
Nov 16, 2010 8:37pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:37 PM
Will OSU fans ever be happy? CBF.......complaining about Sully's defense after two games. lol. He still got 26 and 14!
Nov 16, 2010 8:37pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:39 PM
That was it, Buford 8 assists 1 turnover. Craft 5 assists 3 turnovers.

That's why I think Ohio State will be much better this year. Turner/Matta thought for the team to be successful last year, Turner had to have the ball in his hands too much, doing too much, for the team to be successful.

This year won't be that way. More of a team...total team effort....all 5 can shoot and pass and shooting and passing when that's what's called for.
Nov 16, 2010 8:39pm
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se-alum;561688 wrote:I never realized how completely lost you are when it comes to sports, until tonight. There are ZERO meaningless games for freshman. Craft played point for 29 mins, handling the ball much more than anyone else. He had two turnovers in garbage time on charges that were questionable at best.

2 questionable charges and 1 catch and shoot in the corner that he was called for travelling. I'll take those turnovers against the pressure he saw tonight. He is just what this team needs.
Nov 16, 2010 8:39pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:40 PM
77Legend;561694 wrote:Will OSU fans ever be happy? CBF.......complaining about Sully's defense after two games. lol. He still got 26 and 14!

Oh STFU. All we are doing is breaking down and discussing the game. I am ELATED with tonite. I never thought OSU would go in and do what they did tonite..especially after the first half. But that doesn't mean they were perfect and we are allowed to chat about that, aren't we? lol
Nov 16, 2010 8:40pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:40 PM
The comments on Sully's defense were more observations, not condemnations. I'm guessing for many of us, this was our first real good look at Sully. He does need to work on his defensive positioning, and that in no way diminishes what he accomplished tonite.
Nov 16, 2010 8:40pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:46 PM
He was getting caught out of position a few times on defense.....it was pretty obvious.
Nov 16, 2010 8:46pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:51 PM
se-alum;561688 wrote:I never realized how completely lost you are when it comes to sports, until tonight. There are ZERO meaningless games for freshman. Craft played point for 29 mins, handling the ball much more than anyone else. He had two turnovers in garbage time on charges that were questionable at best.
I never realized how completely lost you are when it comes to meaningless games. Games against directional schools are meaningless when compared to playing Florida on the road. Games against directional teams are good for Freshmen to get on the court. Be sure to let me know how many minutes Siebert averages in Big Ten games.
Nov 16, 2010 8:51pm
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Nov 16, 2010 8:57 PM
se-alum;561702 wrote:The comments on Sully's defense were more observations, not condemnations. I'm guessing for many of us, this was our first real good look at Sully. He does need to work on his defensive positioning, and that in no way diminishes what he accomplished tonite.
BIG TIME BIG MEN in high school and AAU ball are rarely if ever asked to playREAL defense. Sully did quite well on D in his first game of significance on a big stage. He is a very good 280# athlete, soft hands and good feet. His defense will improve more than anyone on the roster over the span of season.
Nov 16, 2010 8:57pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:03 PM
Big Gain;561714 wrote:I never realized how completely lost you are when it comes to meaningless games. Games against directional schools are meaningless when compared to playing Florida on the road. Games against directional teams are good for Freshmen to get on the court. Be sure to let me know how many minutes Siebert averages in Big Ten games.
Lol....point me to where I said Siebert would get meaningful minutes in Big 10 play. ALL games are meaningful for the freshman, it may not turn into big minutes this year, but these are the kids that OSU will be leaning on in the future. Every opportunity they get to play in a division I college basketball game can only help them. I don't know how you can even debate that. This next month will allow OSU to gain more continuity by getting more familiar w/ one another. Players can maximize their own talents by knowing the talents of their teammates. Familiarity and chemistry will go a long way with a team as talented as OSU.
Nov 16, 2010 9:03pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:05 PM
Big Gain;561723 wrote:BIG TIME BIG MEN in high school and AAU ball are rarely if ever asked to playREAL defense. Sully did quite well on D in his first game of significance on a big stage. He is a very good 280# athlete, soft hands and good feet. His defense will improve more than anyone on the roster over the span of season.

I agree. He will improve, because it's not a matter of physical ability or IQ. It's simply a matter of learning how to position himself against D1 big men.
Nov 16, 2010 9:05pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:08 PM
Sully played much better defense in the 2nd half. Then again, the Buckeyes as a team did. They picked up for one another and didn't give up on their man (leaving players to chose between leaving their guy or staying put leading to layups.).

Craft was impressive. His turnovers were non bad decision turnovers (bad pass, etc). He traveled when he tried to square up for the 3 pointer and 2 charges and the one was really weak.

Overall I was impressed but I am concern about our depth.

FWIW, does Lighty have a 6th year available, that guy is the glue.
Nov 16, 2010 9:08pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:08 PM
A convincing road win for sure. I'd say that will raise a lot of eyebrows around the country. The freshmen are real difference-makers as we all thought and the upperclassmen played like upperclassmen. I'm looking forward to a nice ride this year.
Nov 16, 2010 9:08pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:21 PM
77Legend;561694 wrote:Will OSU fans ever be happy? CBF.......complaining about Sully's defense after two games. lol. He still got 26 and 14!
Never did I expect someone to say that to CBF. The guy is the biggest OSU homer (and I don't mean that negatively). He always sees the good, and rarely the bad. So whatever his comments were, I'm sure he meant it more as an observation than anything else.

With that said, Vernon Macklin is a very good player. Great size and athleticism and is really good around the rim. I doubt Sullinger sees anyone better than him the rest of the regular season.
Nov 16, 2010 9:21pm