isadore;568964 wrote:Muslims are members of a religion, not a race. How racist of you to classify them as a race.

My bad, how very intolerant of you.

All muslims are terrorists, right?

isadore;568952 wrote:those people who you considered to have no other options, killed thousands of Americans using Ryder trucks?

No. A white American Christian used a Ryder truck to blow the hell out of a building. Killing 168 including 19 young kids and injuring hundreds more. According to your reactionary views we must now take extreme, and ineffective, measures against people who wish to rent moving trucks.

justincredible;568954 wrote:

what a negative view of our protecive services. They put their lives on the line for us.

isadore;568971 wrote:what a negative view of our protecive services. They put their lives on the line for us.

I see that went right over your head.

isadore;568971 wrote:what a negative view of our protecive services. They put their lives on the line for us.

What a negative view of our general populace you have. They are what those people put their lives on the line for.

justincredible;568966 wrote:My bad, how very intolerant of you.

All muslims are terrorists, right?

hardly. I was content with our reactive attempts to protect American lives. You suggested proactive attempts which could include the extermination of Muslims.

isadore;568979 wrote:hardly. I was content with our reactive attempts to protect American lives. You suggested proactive attempts which could include the extermination of Muslims.

I made no mention of Muslims or their extermination. Are you fucking kidding me?

I Wear Pants;568977 wrote:What a negative view of our general populace you have. They are what those people put their lives on the line for.

Clearly you're a terrorist sympathizer.

justincredible;568973 wrote:I see that went right over your head.

It may have. But on the face of it, the poster was a blatant insult to our protective services.

I Wear Pants;568969 wrote:No. A white American Christian used a Ryder truck to blow the hell out of a building. Killing 168 including 19 young kids and injuring hundreds more. According to your reactionary views we must now take extreme, and ineffective, measures against people who wish to rent moving trucks.

they have already moved to regulate the sale of fertilizer used in the attack. Now we attempt to protect Americans from attacks from those who you see as threatned by American imperialism.

isadore;568983 wrote:It may have. But on the face of it, the poster was a blatant insult to our protective services.

Just the TSA.

justincredible;568980 wrote:I made no mention of Muslims or their extermination. Are you fucking kidding me?

You suggested pro active measures, not me.

justincredible;568988 wrote:Just the TSA.

it says PD, not TSA on the poster.

isadore;568992 wrote:it says PD, not TSA on the poster.

I didn't realize we were discussing the PD in this thread.

isadore;568990 wrote:You suggested pro active measures, not me.

Israel takes a proactive approach that has been 100% effective. That's what I meant, but of course you are too dense or stupid to realize that.

isadore;568987 wrote:they have already moved to regulate the sale of fertilizer used in the attack. Now we attempt to protect Americans from attacks from those who you see as threatned by American imperialism.

Box cutters were used in 9/11. Why don't we regulate those?

justincredible;568981 wrote:Clearly you're a terrorist sympathizer.

yes only a terrorist sympathizer would write
“ gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight.” War that they are so justified in conducting because “Is everyone just supposed to bow to our will then?” “And we are the closest thing left to imperialists.”

ts1227;567037 wrote:Another thing to consider is whether we consider the ability to travel via plane a right or a privilege, and then gauge how the standards line up with that view... because if it's not a right, then is there really anything wrong happening?

You have to be careful with this right and privilege thing. Privileges are granted by the authorities and powers over the people. Whether that authority is the government, a corporation, or any entity that wields any power. A privilege by its very definition allows treatment of the individual as the authority sees fit. A right on the other hand is meant to guarantee a level of treatment equal amongst all individuals regardless of any authority that exists on earth.

If engaging in modern forms of transportation is a privilege, who grants this privilege? Since most means of transportation are through publicly owned or regulated routes, these privileges fall into the hands of some level of government authority (federal, state, or local).

This right and privilege thing is just a way to separate the individual from some of his individual rights that do not descend from government into some privilege that is granted by government.

The 9th amendment really spells this out quite well.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

In other words they chose to highlight a few of them in the bill of rights. A right not listed in the constitution by no means limits the abundant rights retained by the people to engage in lawful activity in life and liberty to pursue happiness

So because you are choosing to transport yourself through publicly maintained routes, because of perceived threats it is ok for you to be stopped at random and observed for any signs of illegal activity. Impaired drivers kill more Americans than those that were killed on 9/11. Should the federal government set up checkpoints to randomly search vehicles and pat down the driver?

justincredible;568993 wrote:I didn't realize we were discussing the PD in this thread.

well gosh a ruddies, we seem to be discussing our protection and the PD are involved in it. your picture is of a cop, labelled as a cop.

Gosh a ruddies? Are you Glenn Beck?

justincredible;568995 wrote:Israel takes a proactive approach that has been 100% effective. That's what I meant, but of course you are too dense or stupid to realize that.

Probably dense or stupid but
Israel reacted after the LOD massacre and became effective in a small nation with much more control over who enters.
and since 9/11 we have been 100% effective

I Wear Pants;568996 wrote:Box cutters were used in 9/11. Why don't we regulate those?

yes we do, we dont let you get on a plane with them, that is regulation. we learned after those who you think have no other options killed 3000 of us.

I Wear Pants;569001 wrote:Gosh a ruddies? Are you Glenn Beck?

no

isadore;569003 wrote:since 9/11 we have been 100% effective

Without these fucking scans and pat downs.

justincredible;569007 wrote:Without these fucking scans and pat downs.

Based on experience with terrorist bomb attempts we use scans and then pat downs when needed. So we dont look up in the sky and see another Lockerbie but this time over the USA.