isadore;568872 wrote:So we should not adjust based on the newest know threat. Wow, now that is really suicidal attitude. Oh God they may see the outlines of our bodies. How horrible, how degrading. Bull, it is no big deal.
And you don’t get searched unless you refuse the scan.
And why it is helpful is obvious, less chance of another Lockerbie, another 9/11.

I'll be refusing the scan even though I find the pat down much more invasive and degrading.

isadore;568876 wrote:hopefully we have all been drinking, it helps.

Well, I haven't been drinking, hung out with my wife (it is our Anniversary although she's asleep now) at the location of our wedding, talked with her stepfather earlier who received the full pat-down flying yesterday.

He's so pissed he's writing letters to the editor of the WaPo. Whether it gets published or not, I'll be happy to reprint it here. I trust this dude like my father, and he says it is ridiculous. That is all I need. We're talking genital contact...I don't care about TSA wearing gloves or the clothing being some sort of medium. No one should have to go through that.

isadore;568884 wrote:and they should, so what.

Well you can have someone touch your crotch. I for one don't like it when I haven't done anything wrong.

Manhattan Buckeye;568865 wrote:Obama weighs in:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=140813

Highlights (or lowlights):

""I understand people's frustrations," Obama said, while acknowledging that he's never had to undergo the stepped-up screening methods."

That's one hell of a leader for us.

""One of the most frustrating aspects of this fight against terrorism is that it has created a whole security apparatus around us that causes huge inconvenience for all of us," Obama said."

Not if you fight it correcty.

Good lord, who the hell voted for this guy? If George W. Bush made such a comment he'd be up for impeachment.

I would vote for him right now even though I didn’t in 2008. I am sorry you feel offended that the President does not have to be groped before getting on his plane.
It must be rough to hate a popularly elected leader of our nation as much as you do. He is just being a politician assuaging the whining of so many over necessary security actions.
No under those circumstances George Bush would have found someone to invade.

Only in America are you a terrorist until proven innocent.

justincredible;568888 wrote:Yep, many years after the fact. All the while the terrorists will have devised a new plan to render the new "security" useless.

and we will adjust to it. Since 2001 we have been successful in keeping Americans alive. I consider that a positive, even if you don't

justincredible;568892 wrote:I'll be refusing the scan even though I find the pat down much more invasive and degrading.

what ever you prefer.
I will go for the scan, but neither is a big deal.

isadore;568908 wrote:and we will adjust to it. Since 2001 we have been successful in keeping Americans alive. I consider that a positive, even if you don't

And the terrorists will come up with something new. You see, reactive. Not proactive.

isadore;568914 wrote:what ever you prefer.
I will go for the scan, but neither is a big deal.

Both are a big deal, but whatever.

Manhattan Buckeye;568894 wrote:Well, I haven't been drinking, hung out with my wife (it is our Anniversary although she's asleep now) at the location of our wedding, talked with her stepfather earlier who received the full pat-down flying yesterday.

He's so pissed he's writing letters to the editor of the WaPo. Whether it gets published or not, I'll be happy to reprint it here. I trust this dude like my father, and he says it is ridiculous. That is all I need. We're talking genital contact...I don't care about TSA wearing gloves or the clothing being some sort of medium. No one should have to go through that.

Congratulations. and your father-in-law is alive to complain and so are the other people on his flight. big deal.

Manhattan Buckeye;568897 wrote:Well you can have someone touch your crotch. I for one don't like it when I haven't done anything wrong.

oh god a fate worse than death, someone touched your crotch.

It's like trying to reason with a tube of toothpaste.

isadore;568764 wrote:they may, but they have done it quite successfully by stepping into airports and killing several thousand Americans.

They also did it with Ryder trucks.

Quick, background checks and x-rays and pat downs for anyone renting a moving van!

justincredible;568902 wrote:Only in America are you a terrorist until proven innocent.

no only in a nation where terrorist used airplanes to kill 3000 of their fellow citizens and continue in their efforts.

"I would vote for him right now even though I didn’t in 2008. I am sorry you feel offended that the President does not have to be groped before getting on his plane."

No, I'm offended that I, or my wife could be groped, and its kool and the gang with you that our leaders somehow have different rules that apply to them.

So are you admitting that the average citizen could be 'groped'. And that's fine with you?

I'll tell you what Isadore. I WILL VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA in 2012 if he agrees to the same pat-down my wife's stepfather had to do, do it in front of a national televsion audience, and explain why it is that it is necessary. Until then, my disdain for our political class that thinks they are above it all will continue.

justincredible;568920 wrote:And the terrorists will come up with something new. You see, reactive. Not proactive.

it is so easy to say be proactive, but short of killing every muslim on the plane, we are following our best options.

justincredible;568922 wrote:Both are a big deal, but whatever.

no in the scheme of things, they are at most minor discomforts.

justincredible;568931 wrote:It's like trying to reason with a tube of toothpaste.

colgate.

isadore;568945 wrote:no in the scheme of things, they are at most minor discomforts.

isadore;568940 wrote:it is so easy to say be proactive, but short of killing every muslim on the plane, we are following our best options.

How very racist of you.

I Wear Pants;568932 wrote:They also did it with Ryder trucks.

Quick, background checks and x-rays and pat downs for anyone renting a moving van!

those people who you considered to have no other options, killed thousands of Americans using Ryder trucks?

justincredible;568948 wrote:

nice picture, does it have anything to do with being scanned or patted down. it obviously has nothing to do with being blown up.

isadore;568958 wrote:nice picture, does it have anything to do with being scanned or patted down. it obviously has nothing to do with being blown up.

Are they not laying their hands on me while being patted down? You know, because I'm a terrorist until proven innocent.

justincredible;568949 wrote:How very racist of you.

Muslims are members of a religion, not a race. How racist of you to classify them as a race.