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Con_Alma

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Nov 12, 2010 10:16 PM
The get training on how to search. They get paid to do so.

Sounds like the definition of a trained professional.
Nov 12, 2010 10:16pm
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LJ

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Nov 12, 2010 10:44 PM
tk421;555664 wrote:ha ha, trained professionals? These aren't RNs or doctors, these are minimum wage people performing these "searches".

They are paid on the GS scale. Your lowest wage workers are going to be GS-5's, a good amount above minimum wage.

In the Columbus market, a GS-5 makes 32k per year
Nov 12, 2010 10:44pm
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Nov 13, 2010 8:41 AM
Con_Alma;555674 wrote:The get training on how to search. They get paid to do so.

Sounds like the definition of a trained professional.

It's a matter of degree. McDonalds employees get training on how to make fries, but that doesn't make them a chef. We're at roughly the same level here, from what I've seen.
Nov 13, 2010 8:41am
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stlouiedipalma

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Nov 16, 2010 1:29 PM
Jesus, folks, if you don't like it, don't fly. I'll bet most of you bitch if the flight attendant puts too much ice in your cup. I've flown a hell of a lot since 9/11, been full body scanned, patted down and had carry on bags inspected thoroughly by hand. It's not that big of a deal. Get to the airport a little early. Once you get through security buy a newspaper, take a chill pill and relax.
Nov 16, 2010 1:29pm
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Con_Alma

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Nov 16, 2010 1:32 PM
queencitybuckeye;556038 wrote:It's a matter of degree. McDonalds employees get training on how to make fries, but that doesn't make them a chef. We're at roughly the same level here, from what I've seen.

I don't disagree but to state that are not trained professionals just isn't accurate which was what my response was to.
Nov 16, 2010 1:32pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Nov 16, 2010 2:38 PM
Maybe I'm not getting this.

Why can't we have a metal detector and canine crews at all domestic airports?

Metal detector will catch the knives, boxcutters etc....dogs will sniff out the rest.

I certainly trust a German Shepherd over the $10.00/hr guy groping me...or for that matter the $12.00/hr person viewing my body image.
Nov 16, 2010 2:38pm
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Shane Falco

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Nov 16, 2010 2:51 PM
Fab4Runner;554793 wrote:I got patted down on Tuesday at the Tucson airport. First time ever....it was annoying but oh well.
Some of you are slipin around here.....

I'll take this one.....

A) I doubt it was your first time!!
and
B) That was one LUCKY man! (or women..... if you want to go that way!)

:D
Nov 16, 2010 2:51pm
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Nov 16, 2010 2:59 PM
So, your choice is to either have your junk seen/measured or have it groped? Nice...

My last set of flights was in October to/from Europe and they had these units but I was "lucky" enough to go through a regular metal detector line.
Nov 16, 2010 2:59pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Nov 16, 2010 3:26 PM
Con_Alma;560866 wrote:I don't disagree but to state that are not trained professionals just isn't accurate which was what my response was to.

In technical terms, you're right. In practical terms, you're mostly wrong. They're a bunch of goobers for the most part.
Nov 16, 2010 3:26pm
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Nov 16, 2010 4:05 PM
Why can't we have airport security like the Israelis do? They don't have to suffer the humiliation of being groped and treated like criminals just for going to the airport. When's the last time someone flew an Israeli plane into a building?
Nov 16, 2010 4:05pm
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Nov 16, 2010 4:11 PM
I'm really not sure why this is such a big deal.......

Noting to hide...no worries.
Nov 16, 2010 4:11pm
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Nov 16, 2010 4:21 PM
CenterBHSFan;554782 wrote:I kinda thought that there should be instances when profiling mixed with common sense would be a benefit.
tk421;561154 wrote:Why can't we have airport security like the Israelis do? They don't have to suffer the humiliation of being groped and treated like criminals just for going to the airport. When's the last time someone flew an Israeli plane into a building?
Great point
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-can-israel-teach-the-u-s-about-airport-security/
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Full+body+scanners+waste+money+Israeli+expert+says/2941610/story.html
A leading Israeli airport security expert says the Canadian government has wasted millions of dollars to install "useless" imaging machines at airports across the country.

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Sela, former chief security officer of the Israel Airport Authority and a 30-year veteran in airport security and defence technology, helped design the security at Ben Gurion.
Nov 16, 2010 4:21pm
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Nov 16, 2010 4:23 PM
wkfan;561162 wrote:I'm really not sure why this is such a big deal.......

Noting to hide...no worries.

I hate that fucking excuse. That's a bullshit argument and you know it. Let's play a little game here. Follow along and see if it's still ok later.

1. Someone tries to sneak explosives onto a plane in their shoes. Everyone must now take off their shoes.
2. Someone tries to sneak explosives onto a plane in their underwear. We now have the searches where they physically touch your genitals and breasts for the women.
3. Someone will eventually try/succeed in sneaking explosives onto a plane in one of their body cavities. Don't think it won't happen? They don't search there currently. Result: TSA now makes cavity searches mandatory.

Still okay? Nothing to hide after all, please bend over and spread em. Don't think it won't happen, either. It's the next logical step, TSA is completely reactionary.
Nov 16, 2010 4:23pm
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Nov 16, 2010 4:51 PM
For those of you "I have nothing to hide, it's ok with me" people, I have a book I'd like you all to buy and read to your kids before flying. After all, they have nothing to hide either, it should be ok with them. We can't possible have profiling because "You don't think terrorists are smart enough to start using white people and children to blow up planes?" Better start getting them used to it, I guess.

Nov 16, 2010 4:51pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:34 PM
Can we start the search with PROFILING?
Search only those that match the PROFILING of a terrorist...
Nov 16, 2010 9:34pm
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Con_Alma

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Nov 16, 2010 9:37 PM
queencitybuckeye;561085 wrote:In technical terms, you're right. In practical terms, you're mostly wrong. They're a bunch of goobers for the most part.

Thanks. I thought I got that technically right...after all that's the part I was focusing on.

It is possible to be a trained professional who is a goober. I see 'em more often than I would like out there in the world. ...Goober for sure but dag gone it a trained professional while still being a goober.
Nov 16, 2010 9:37pm
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Nov 16, 2010 9:43 PM
Belly35;561777 wrote:Can we start the search with PROFILING?
Search only those that match the PROFILING of a terrorist...

CAIR, the Council on Arab-Islamic Relations, has issued statements that muslims should not be subject to the TSA grope. It will be interesting to see if Big Sis grants them what they are asking. Therefore, the extremeists could more easily board a plane because they don't have to be treated to the same civil rights abuses that the rest of us have to endure if we happen to want to fly somewhere. Link - http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=227513

By the way...where in the hell is the ACLU??? Isn't this whole issue a civil liberties issue? You know...government agents can check anyone's package because they feel the need. If there was ever a doubt in anyone's mind that the ACLU is a liberal/Progressive organization, their silence and inaction is screaming it from the teleprompter.
Nov 16, 2010 9:43pm
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Nov 16, 2010 10:06 PM
This is insane. Dogs are far more effective and not nearly as intrusive or embarrassing.

Nothing to hide nothing to worry about is an absolute bullshit excuse.
Nov 16, 2010 10:06pm
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Nov 16, 2010 10:45 PM
I Wear Pants;561850 wrote:This is insane. Dogs are far more effective and not nearly as intrusive or embarrassing.

Nothing to hide nothing to worry about is an absolute bullshit excuse.

Completely agree. A hound's scent is far more effective than the video evidence. All I see is a dude's junk. A non-trained hound can sniff their owner at 50 yards, and can hear them at 200 yards., I can't believe that we can't train dogs to sniff out a potential plane terrorist.
Nov 16, 2010 10:45pm
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Nov 17, 2010 12:26 AM
BGFalcons82;561799 wrote: By the way...where in the hell is the ACLU??? Isn't this whole issue a civil liberties issue? You know...government agents can check anyone's package because they feel the need. If there was ever a doubt in anyone's mind that the ACLU is a liberal/Progressive organization, their silence and inaction is screaming it from the teleprompter.

www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/homeland-security-wants-see-you-naked
Nov 17, 2010 12:26am
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Nov 17, 2010 12:53 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;561955 wrote:Completely agree. A hound's scent is far more effective than the video evidence. All I see is a dude's junk. A non-trained hound can sniff their owner at 50 yards, and can hear them at 200 yards., I can't believe that we can't train dogs to sniff out a potential plane terrorist.
We can. We use the dogs to find the types of explosive these scans are meant to find all the time in police and military work. The dogs are actually the first thing they use as they're the most effective at locating it. I have no idea why we can't use them here too.

Kids like dogs. Kids don't like being touched by strangers.
Nov 17, 2010 12:53am
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Nov 17, 2010 6:25 AM
tk421;554394 wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40136368/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

Now, I've only flown once in my life and it was before 9/11, so I don't have any personal experience with this, but I figured there would be a lot of people here who do. This kind of stuff drives me nuts, that the TSA does this and gets away with it.

What exactly happened to the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that provides protection against unreasonable searches? So, because of terrorists and to promote "safety" (what a fucking crock), the TSA has to either take a naked scan of your person or pat you down, no matter who you are or what your age is. This is the biggest horseshit I've ever heard.

We have TSA agents patting down pilots on the airlines? What the hell for? Children either have to be seen nude or be pat down? Not that I'm ever going to have to travel, but if I did I wouldn't be flying at all. This crap is ridiculous. See what happens when people give up liberties for "safety". It's a huge slippery slope that we're almost to the bottom. What's next, getting issued a standard flight robe that everyone has to get naked and change into?
All about the pedophiles. This is the perfect excuse to scan little kids. A sick society we live in, I pray daily for the Lord to restore our nation.
Nov 17, 2010 6:25am
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Nov 17, 2010 6:34 AM
I Wear Pants;561850 wrote:This is insane. Dogs are far more effective and not nearly as intrusive or embarrassing.

Nothing to hide nothing to worry about is an absolute bullshit excuse.
Some people are frightened of dogs but hey get over it….. Dog, Scanning or Body Search pick one…
Many of us are use to the occasional wet dog nose in the groin or ass sniffing so using a dogs is a good option something we can relate to as normal ......
Nov 17, 2010 6:34am
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Nov 17, 2010 1:16 PM
BGFalcons82;561799 wrote:CAIR, the Council on Arab-Islamic Relations, has issued statements that muslims should not be subject to the TSA grope. It will be interesting to see if Big Sis grants them what they are asking. Therefore, the extremeists could more easily board a plane because they don't have to be treated to the same civil rights abuses that the rest of us have to endure if we happen to want to fly somewhere. Link - http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=227513

By the way...where in the hell is the ACLU??? Isn't this whole issue a civil liberties issue? You know...government agents can check anyone's package because they feel the need. If there was ever a doubt in anyone's mind that the ACLU is a liberal/Progressive organization, their silence and inaction is screaming it from the teleprompter.

I found this after like 2 seconds of searching.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/homeland-security-wants-see-you-naked
Nov 17, 2010 1:16pm
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Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM
BGFalcons82;561799 wrote:CAIR, the Council on Arab-Islamic Relations, has issued statements that muslims should not be subject to the TSA grope. It will be interesting to see if Big Sis grants them what they are asking. Therefore, the extremeists could more easily board a plane because they don't have to be treated to the same civil rights abuses that the rest of us have to endure if we happen to want to fly somewhere. Link - http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=227513

By the way...where in the hell is the ACLU??? Isn't this whole issue a civil liberties issue? You know...government agents can check anyone's package because they feel the need. If there was ever a doubt in anyone's mind that the ACLU is a liberal/Progressive organization, their silence and inaction is screaming it from the teleprompter.
cbus4life;562614 wrote:I found this after like 2 seconds of searching.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/homeland-security-wants-see-you-naked

If you really want the ACLU involved, carry a Bible through one of those checkpoints and "offend" someone. They'll jump all over that.
Nov 17, 2010 4:15pm