http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40136368/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

Now, I've only flown once in my life and it was before 9/11, so I don't have any personal experience with this, but I figured there would be a lot of people here who do. This kind of stuff drives me nuts, that the TSA does this and gets away with it.

What exactly happened to the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that provides protection against unreasonable searches? So, because of terrorists and to promote "safety" (what a fucking crock), the TSA has to either take a naked scan of your person or pat you down, no matter who you are or what your age is. This is the biggest horseshit I've ever heard.

We have TSA agents patting down pilots on the airlines? What the hell for? Children either have to be seen nude or be pat down? Not that I'm ever going to have to travel, but if I did I wouldn't be flying at all. This crap is ridiculous. See what happens when people give up liberties for "safety". It's a huge slippery slope that we're almost to the bottom. What's next, getting issued a standard flight robe that everyone has to get naked and change into?

But but but...the terrorists?

A good article on this: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/for-the-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance/65390/

tk421;554394 wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40136368/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

Now, I've only flown once in my life and it was before 9/11, so I don't have any personal experience with this, but I figured there would be a lot of people here who do. This kind of stuff drives me nuts, that the TSA does this and gets away with it.

What exactly happened to the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that provides protection against unreasonable searches? So, because of terrorists and to promote "safety" (what a fucking crock), the TSA has to either take a naked scan of your person or pat you down, no matter who you are or what your age is. This is the biggest horseshit I've ever heard.

We have TSA agents patting down pilots on the airlines? What the hell for? Children either have to be seen nude or be pat down? Not that I'm ever going to have to travel, but if I did I wouldn't be flying at all. This crap is ridiculous. See what happens when people give up liberties for "safety". It's a huge slippery slope that we're almost to the bottom. What's next, getting issued a standard flight robe that everyone has to get naked and change into?

It's not protected under the fourth amendment because you know what searches they are going to ask you to submit to before buying a ticket. Essentially, buying a plane ticket is you submitting to these searches

LJ;554522 wrote:It's not protected under the fourth amendment because you know what searches they are going to ask you to submit to before buying a ticket. Essentially, buying a plane ticket is you submitting to these searches

It's still a crock.

The TSA is essentially the biggest waste of money in government history. It was a knee jerk reaction, and did nothing to make flying safer.

tk421;554637 wrote:It's still a crock.

You know what's a crock? People hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. People hiding explosives in their pants and shoes.

Glory Days;554709 wrote:You know what's a crock? People hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. People hiding explosives in their pants and shoes.

Yes it is. But isn't it a crock that because of that, we now have given people a license to molest other people without any reasonable suspicion. How would like some slimeball airport screener putting his hands on your wife or daughters boobs and crotch? Makes me feel real secure.

It's funny to me that they make pilots go through the screening. If they wanted to do some damage, couldn't they just crash the plane?

It doesn't matter how strict/lax security is..... You'll have idiots complaining about security. Then when something happens, there the first ones asking why our security failed!

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majorspark;554749 wrote:Yes it is. But isn't it a crock that because of that, we now have given people a license to molest other people without any reasonable suspicion. How would like some slimeball airport screener putting his hands on your wife or daughters boobs and crotch? Makes me feel real secure.

So then don't fly? That's simple

I know that going through the airports to go to the UK and then to Mexico was a freakin hassle from start to finish. At the Cancun airport, I saw a very frail looking old lady in a wheelchair/on oxygen getting patted down. I thought it was ridiculous simply because she had to go through all that because she had the bad luck of hitting the button and it turned red on her.
I kinda thought that there should be instances when profiling mixed with common sense would be a benefit.

And one more thing. I think it's total BS that you have to pay over $100 for a book passport to fly, but only $36 for a card to drive to another country.

I got patted down on Tuesday at the Tucson airport. First time ever....it was annoying but oh well.

The TSA is needed as it actually put all the airport screeners under one umbrella. Before 9/11, they were all sort of different companies with different rules and regulations.

But, it is annoying and the full body screening does push into the privacy domain. That said, even with all the different levels of security, al Qaeda is still using jets as means to deliver attacks.

The effectiveness of the screening procedures didn't nearly help the airline industry as much as the impact the procedures had on the consumers confidence.

Con_Alma;554803 wrote:The effectiveness of the screening procedures didn't nearly help the airline industry as much as the impact the procedures had on the consumers confidence.

Yes. It's "security theater," where you feel like you're safer, but you're not really safer. If we want to be completely safe, we can do what the Israeli's do.

How do you think that would that go over with tk421??

ptown_trojans_1;554798 wrote:But, it is annoying and the full body screening does push into the privacy domain. That said, even with all the different levels of security, al Qaeda is still using jets as means to deliver attacks.

This makes me wonder...who won the "war on terror"? Al Queda is still around, their willing accomplices, the Taliban, are gaining traction again, Al Queda will be getting their home bases back next July as Barry gave them a date when they can return, and they are only a bad fuse or two from having killed thousands of more Americans in Times Square. They have changed the way we live, they've made us create practices that violate the 4th amendment, we have given up more liberties in a trade for more supposed security, and they will thumb their noses at us when their mosque....oops, I mean community center, is built in the shadows of their initial triumph. We are still terrified as a nation and when a pundit shares his fear on Fox, he gets fired for it.

I know this is somewhat off-topic, but our enemies are still out there and we have changed our way of life (including the TSA fondling passengers) because of them, not the other way around.

BGFalcons82;554987 wrote:This makes me wonder...who won the "war on terror"?

By asking such a question you are assuming that such a war has an end. I'm not sure it does.

Con_Alma;554993 wrote:By asking such a question you are assuming that such a war has an end. I'm not sure it does.

Didn't Barry claim it to be over? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7772598/Barack-Obama-declares-the-War-on-Terror-is-over.html

OK then, let's change it to say it's a war on Al Queda....who's winning?

I believe he did but that doesn't make it so. We will be battling terrorism for a long, long time. I think George Bush said something similar in his first press conference following the attacks of 9/11 and I agree that we will.

Who is winning?? I guess that depends on what winning is.

If winning is having the ability to carry on our U.S. lives in a relatively normal, uninterrupted manner I would say we are winning.

If we are impacted so much from the fear or terror that an assailant might bring harm to us that we are unable to be productive I would say that they are winning.

I never saw it as a war on Al Queda as much as Al Queda being a contributor to terror on the U.S and one who will have to be dealt with in the fight against terrorism.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16849_the-7-dumbest-things-ever-done-by-airport-security.html

majorspark;554749 wrote:Yes it is. But isn't it a crock that because of that, we now have given people a license to molest other people without any reasonable suspicion. How would like some slimeball airport screener putting his hands on your wife or daughters boobs and crotch? Makes me feel real secure.

How come they are slimballs and they are molesting the travelers? just curious, where did that come from? Now i am not a TSA employee and i dont even know one, but why is it that everyone treats them like shit? is it because they dont get paid the greatest, so we assume they are all dirtbags and we can talk down to them?

Nobody is perfect, but i would take comfort in the fact that trained professionals are conducting searches of not only my future wife and daughter, but everyone else that gets on the plane with them to ensure the safety of my family. I trust my future wife and daughter will be mature enough to understand that the TSA screener isnt getting their jollies off on searching them.

Glory Days;555300 wrote:How come they are slimballs and they are molesting the travelers? just curious, where did that come from? Now i am not a TSA employee and i dont even know one, but why is it that everyone treats them like shit? is it because they dont get paid the greatest, so we assume they are all dirtbags and we can talk down to them?

Nobody is perfect, but i would take comfort in the fact that trained professionals are conducting searches of not only my future wife and daughter, but everyone else that gets on the plane with them to ensure the safety of my family. I trust my future wife and daughter will be mature enough to understand that the TSA screener isnt getting their jollies off on searching them.

ha ha, trained professionals? These aren't RNs or doctors, these are minimum wage people performing these "searches".