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Oct 21, 2010 3:41 PM
OrrvilleQB;527036 wrote:lol so is it safe to say Coach Doug Martin would be on the hot seat if he doesn't beat Alabama?

I don't think he will be around next year. He has done a very poor job.
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Oct 21, 2010 4:21 PM
WebFire;527591 wrote:Not mention I think my point was pretty clear. How many ways can I say it shouldn't be all about the money, and that the game itself is meaningless. It isn't the job of the big colleges to supply budgets to the small schools. If it's about the participation and experience, I think Kent State has it in the budget to do so. If not, they don't offer the sports.

Then simply, I would say, it isn't your job to decide how the big schools spend their money. So why would you even suggest banning that practice?
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Oct 21, 2010 4:25 PM
WebFire;527589 wrote:See what I mean?

Yeah, I was just kidding you on that one. I don't use emoticons, so...
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Oct 21, 2010 4:27 PM
enigmaax;527668 wrote:Then simply, I would say, it isn't your job to decide how the big schools spend their money. So why would you even suggest banning that practice?

Because it's a silly practice. I know it's never going to happen, but it helped make my point.
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Oct 21, 2010 4:41 PM
Martin is the worst coach in the NCAA IMO and he really needs to GTFO. They also need to stop playing 2 or 3 games a year they have no shot at winning. If you get one pay day and schedule 3 games you actually can win, they will have a much better shot at making bowl games. If they start making bowl games, their program will grow IMO.
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Oct 21, 2010 4:46 PM
WebFire;527674 wrote:Because it's a silly practice. I know it's never going to happen, but it helped make my point.

I think it makes perfect sense - little school helps big school, big school helps little school - but we've established that.
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Oct 21, 2010 5:03 PM
enigmaax;527703 wrote:I think it makes perfect sense - little school helps big school, big school helps little school - but we've established that.

How does it help the big school?
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Oct 21, 2010 6:01 PM
WebFire;527738 wrote:How does it help the big school?

For starters, generally it is an opportunity to play some young players. Obviously there's the fact that it is a home gate, but you don't like money so I doubt you'll accept that one.
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Oct 21, 2010 7:00 PM
enigmaax;527814 wrote:For starters, generally it is an opportunity to play some young players. Obviously there's the fact that it is a home gate, but you don't like money so I doubt you'll accept that one.

Nope, those are both good points. You are so condescending before I even get to reply to you. I'm not sure what I did to piss you off.

Anyhow, on the first point, Rich Rodriguez wants scrimmages. Yet pretty much everyone blasts him for it. But it would take care of your first point. There is no preseason in college football. So rather than scheduling creampuffs to fake it, why not just have a couple scrimmages?

For number 2, I cannot argue the gate. Because these inferior teams almost always play you at home. With the bigger opponents, you have to play a home and home, so you would lose out on that revenue.

But then again, Michigan and Alabama just agreed to play a game at a neutral site. I'm sure Jerry paid them handsomely, but I wonder if it is the same as playing at home.
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Oct 21, 2010 7:08 PM
WebFire;527862 wrote: Nope, those are both good points. You are so condescending before I even get to reply to you. I'm not sure what I did to piss you off.
Seriously, I just said how I felt about the comment...wasn't anything personal at all. Wasn't trying to be an ass, I just am one mostly, I guess. Sorry.
WebFire;527862 wrote:Anyhow, on the first point, Rich Rodriguez wants scrimmages. Yet pretty much everyone blasts him for it. But it would take care of your first point. There is no preseason in college football. So rather than scheduling creampuffs to fake it, why not just have a couple scrimmages?
Eh, I'm not in favor of scrimmages either. I doubt that would really lead to anything productive for the young players because you're going to want to use that time to get ready for the season. There's no clear line to draw as to when the starters have done enough, like what you get when you are up 50 in the middle of the 3rd quarter in those cases. You're also putting yourself at the same risk of injury and such, so why not make it count and make money off it by scheduling a creampuff (are you going to be able to charge the same ticket prices and get the same attendance for a scrimmage)?
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Oct 21, 2010 9:26 PM
I don't buy that as a legit reason for weak scheduling. It's the regular season, play it. If you need a place to play young players, then do it at practice or become an advocate for scrimmages.

And of course you wouldn't charge the same and get the same attendance. They are scrimmages. In addition to games.

I'm not turning this into a campaign for scrimmages, because I don't have an opinion either way. But I can't support your view of scheduling creampuffs as scrimmages.
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Oct 21, 2010 9:37 PM
WebFire;528073 wrote:I don't buy that as a legit reason for weak scheduling. It's the regular season, play it. If you need a place to play young players, then do it at practice or become an advocate for scrimmages.

And of course you wouldn't charge the same and get the same attendance. They are scrimmages. In addition to games.

I'm not turning this into a campaign for scrimmages, because I don't have an opinion either way. But I can't support your view of scheduling creampuffs as scrimmages.

So, to go back to your perfect world, what do you want to happen? You want to outlaw Big Ten teams from playing MAC teams? I mean, where are you going to draw the line on "creampuffs"?
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Oct 21, 2010 11:46 PM
enigmaax;528092 wrote:So, to go back to your perfect world, what do you want to happen? You want to outlaw Big Ten teams from playing MAC teams? I mean, where are you going to draw the line on "creampuffs"?

I hardly think that Purdue considers Toledo to be a creampuff. Nor did Michigan a few years ago nor did Penn State in 2000.
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Oct 22, 2010 12:29 AM
it could also be nick saban is a kent state alum and wants to give a nice paycheck to his former university?
Oct 22, 2010 12:29am
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Oct 22, 2010 9:02 AM
enigmaax;528092 wrote:So, to go back to your perfect world, what do you want to happen? You want to outlaw Big Ten teams from playing MAC teams? I mean, where are you going to draw the line on "creampuffs"?

You know, I really don't know. There is just something that doesn't seem right about big-time teams paying large sums of money to smaller schools so they stomp the shit out of them. It's not even so much about them playing, but paying them that I struggle with.
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Oct 22, 2010 9:03 AM
FairwoodKing;528271 wrote:I hardly think that Purdue considers Toledo to be a creampuff. Nor did Michigan a few years ago nor did Penn State in 2000.

This is true. I'm sure Appy State was more than happy to collect the big fat check while beating #5 Michigan at the Big House. Although rare, the underdog does pull it off sometimes.
Oct 22, 2010 9:03am