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...and only Amish can live in Holmes county.

So, so, so stupid.

Interesting. I'd like to know Benjamin Netanyahu's take on this...

I'm going to go ahead and move this over to the Politics forum. I believe it's more appropriate over there.

So if they start their Reich bullshit all over again and start "questioning" their borders, do we just nuke the shit out of them?

Fly4Fun;523660 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and move this over to the Politics forum. I believe it's more appropriate over there.

I didn't want it to be political, I wanted to make fun of it....but if you'd rather have people bicker over christian values and shit like that then just delete the fucking thing.

I'm honestly curious, where did she say that "Germany is only for Christian Germans," as i can't find that exact quote.

It was about how she was saying that they need to get back to their Christian roots and force people to be more "German" and restrict the practices of Muslims.

That exact quote I don't believe was said.

"This approach has failed, totally," she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany's culture and values.

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration

Is she really that far off? I support a law making English the national language of the United States. She wants immigrants to learn their language.

But I also think we need to understand that this country isn't being overrun by immigrants, western Europe is. Muslims are absolutely pouring into the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany. The locals are scared, and understandably so. France is taking measures, Germany will be next. You can look at the United Kingdom and see their problems if you like.

This is not a minor issue in their part of the world. It would be a huge issue here, considering how puritanical we can be, if the Mulsim minority were exponentially larger. The fact is it doesn't pose a real threat here like it does there.

Why do we need a law making English the national language of the United States?

Merkel is concerned that Germany's efforts towards "multiculturalism" is a failure and a threat to the relative freedoms afforded by European democratic governments.

More specifically the influx of Muslims in Germany and the rest of Europe is hardly a "melting pot" because she believes the growing population of European Muslims is refusing to adopt the local culture. What really didn't come out is that the European Muslim community has established it's own "counter-culture" which includes its own off-line justice system based on Islamic Sharia law.

It's not just occurring in Germany folks. All of western Europe is facing the same dilemma. The American southern border issue pales in comparison.

Sounds a lot like the paranoid anti-Jewish rhetoric spewed by the Nazis in the first half of the 20th Century right? Perhaps but I'm inclined to believe there may be some truth in this one. European leaders from both the right and the left - not just Merkel- are sounding the alarm: http://europenews.dk/en/node/33774

I Wear Pants;523789 wrote:Why do we need a law making English the national language of the United States?

Que?

Mooney44Cards;523667 wrote:I didn't want it to be political, I wanted to make fun of it......

I am missing what there is to make fun of. Can you expand on it a little bit?

sjmvsfscs08;523787 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration

Is she really that far off? I support a law making English the national language of the United States. She wants immigrants to learn their language.

But I also think we need to understand that this country isn't being overrun by immigrants, western Europe is. Muslims are absolutely pouring into the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany. The locals are scared, and understandably so. France is taking measures, Germany will be next. You can look at the United Kingdom and see their problems if you like.

This is not a minor issue in their part of the world. It would be a huge issue here, considering how puritanical we can be, if the Mulsim minority were exponentially larger. The fact is it doesn't pose a real threat here like it does there.

Maybe it is just me who just finished the PBS show "God in America". But, I see nothing wrong with a multicultural and multi religious U.S. or Europe. Plus, we and others should resist a real turn toward a government or country that favors one religion or culture over another. It is not the American or democratic way, to favor or prefer one religion or culture over another.
Christianity is great, but so are other religions and cultures. Favoring one is not realistic and dangerous to a true democracy to me.

ptown_trojans_1;523825 wrote:Maybe it is just me who just finished the PBS show "God in America". But, I see nothing wrong with a multicultural and multi religious U.S. or Europe. Plus, we and others should resist a real turn toward a government or country that favors one religion or culture over another. It is not the American or democratic way, to favor or prefer one religion or culture over another.
Christianity is great, but so are other religions and cultures. Favoring one is not realistic and dangerous to a true democracy to me.

Trying my hardest not to imply that Muslims are like this, b/c I don't think they are. But, HYPOTHETICALLY... If we had a Muslim state, do you think that they would feel the same way, which you are describing?

believer;523805 wrote:Merkel is concerned that Germany's efforts towards "multiculturalism" is a failure and a threat to the relative freedoms afforded by European democratic governments.

More specifically the influx of Muslims in Germany and the rest of Europe is hardly a "melting pot" because she believes the growing population of European Muslims is refusing to adopt the local culture. What really didn't come out is that the European Muslim community has established it's own "counter-culture" which includes its own off-line justice system based on Islamic Sharia law.

It's not just occurring in Germany folks. All of western Europe is facing the same dilemma. The American southern border issue pales in comparison.

Sounds a lot like the paranoid anti-Jewish rhetoric spewed by the Nazis in the first half of the 20th Century right? Perhaps but I'm inclined to believe there may be some truth in this one. European leaders from both the right and the left - not just Merkel- are sounding the alarm: http://europenews.dk/en/node/33774

I doubt it is anywhere close to Eastern Europe and the Jews of the 19th and early 20th century.

ernest_t_bass;523826 wrote:Trying my hardest not to imply that Muslims are like this, b/c I don't think they are. But, HYPOTHETICALLY... If we had a Muslim state, do you think that they would feel the same way, which you are describing?

Yes.
I'm not in favor of any religion or culture over another in a state. (Save the Vatican for obvious reasons as it is a special case)

ptown_trojans_1;523828 wrote:Yes.
I'm not in favor of any religion or culture over another in a state. (Save the Vatican for obvious reasons as it is a special case)

Perhaps you misread my post. If we had a predominant Muslim country, and Christians wanted to come in and do their own thing, do you really think this predominant Muslim country would go for that?

ernest_t_bass;523863 wrote:Perhaps you misread my post. If we had a predominant Muslim country, and Christians wanted to come in and do their own thing, do you really think this predominant Muslim country would go for that?

Probably not. But, the reverse appears true as well.
That is the problem, it appears now a days religion and values are closely tied to government and policy.

Why shouldn't we make English our national language? I don't care how many different languages you speak, but you should have to know English to live here. How else will people communicate with you? How else will you properly assimilate?

That's the real topic, assimilation. Forced assimilation, if you will. People in the southwest don't like all of the Spanish-speaking illegal immigrants who refuse to assimilate. Germans don't like all of the Arabic-speaking Muslims, whose religion is immensely different from theirs, taking over.

This video is not the most accurate, and it fear-mongering more than anything, but it's interesting.

[video=youtube;2pHK_2TvU94][/video]

Let's turn the tables and say if a bunch of non-Muslims moved into a Muslim land, let's call it Palestine for kicks, and started to overrun the populace--wouldn't they be pissed?

Why should the government tell me what language I have speak? Shouldn't the country and changing social fabric dictate that?
I actually disagree with the notion that people in the southwest resent Spanish. All of my friends and colleagues who hail from out west love Spanish and have many friends and families who speak both English and Spanish.
This is the same argument our country had a century and a half ago, with the migration of Italians and Germans to our shores in the east and Japanese and Chinese to the west. Assimilation occurs over time, multi generations. So, the first generation won't know any or little English, but the 2nd and 3rd will as it is important socially and economically. English is also still the universal business language and that is not going away, even with China.

ptown_trojans_1;523911 wrote:Why should the government tell me what language I have speak? Shouldn't the country and changing social fabric dictate that?

Hhhmmm...you've swerved into something. Let me ask a few questions that look lots like yours...

1. Why should the government tell me I am mandated to buy health insurance or face a penalty, including potential jail time?
2. Why should the government tell me I have to provide funding for abortions when I am against them?
3. Why should the government tell me what type light bulbs I should buy?
4. Why should the government tell me I can't buy sugary drinks (this is just in one state, but it's still the government)?
5. Why should the government confiscate private property through eminent domain in order to increase its tax base by building a shopping mall (which was never built, BTW)?
6. Why should the government tell me I must wear a helmet when riding my motorcycle?

I could go on, but you get the point. The government has made intrusions into our personal lives already...why not mandate a language while they are in the mood to mandate everything else?

BGFalcons82;524010 wrote:Hhhmmm...you've swerved into something. Let me ask a few questions that look lots like yours...

1. Why should the government tell me I am mandated to buy health insurance or face a penalty, including potential jail time?
2. Why should the government tell me I have to provide funding for abortions when I am against them?
3. Why should the government tell me what type light bulbs I should buy?
4. Why should the government tell me I can't buy sugary drinks (this is just in one state, but it's still the government)?
5. Why should the government confiscate private property through eminent domain in order to increase its tax base by building a shopping mall (which was never built, BTW)?
6. Why should the government tell me I must wear a helmet when riding my motorcycle?

I could go on, but you get the point. The government has made intrusions into our personal lives already...why not mandate a language while they are in the mood to mandate everything else?

I'm a little confused by your post there. Are you for the government intrusions you listed above, so mandating a language is ok? Or are you opposed to them? Because if you're opposed to them it seems to me you would still be opposed to government mandated languages.

BGFalcons82;524010 wrote:Hhhmmm...you've swerved into something. Let me ask a few questions that look lots like yours...

1. Why should the government tell me I am mandated to buy health insurance or face a penalty, including potential jail time?

Shouldn't. I disagreed with that portion of the bill.

2. Why should the government tell me I have to provide funding for abortions when I am against them?

I'm against federal money for abortions. Let the private sector provide it. But, the government should allow people to have the option, at least until that changes.

3. Why should the government tell me what type light bulbs I should buy?

Shouldn't. But, the drive for newer, more efficient bulbs is a plus. But, the government telling you you must buy this bulb is too much. That said. I do like the newer types as they do last longer.

4. Why should the government tell me I can't buy sugary drinks (this is just in one state, but it's still the government)?

Shouldn't and I am against any such law that limits food or drinks.

5. Why should the government confiscate private property through eminent domain in order to increase its tax base by building a shopping mall (which was never built, BTW)?

Unless the confiscation is for national security reasons (and good ones), I'm against it.

6. Why should the government tell me I must wear a helmet when riding my motorcycle?

That goes to the public safety issue, just like the seat belt. I'm ok with it, but see your point.

I could go on, but you get the point. The government has made intrusions into our personal lives already...why not mandate a language while they are in the mood to mandate everything else?

I'm against most of those, so why do this?