dat dude;491676 wrote:Several guys? All I have commented on is regarding the ranking of Boeckman, which is terrible. There is a reason Tressel started Pryor over Boeckman in TP's freshman year. And it takes a lot for Tressel to bench an upperclassman. A lot.

enigmaax;491688 wrote:Well, I really thought you might bring a little more. But your argument is that Pryor won a Rose Bowl and Boeckman lost a national title game. And you must be right because Tressel benched Boeckman for Pryor. That decision doesn't make it the right decision. Tressel was banking on Pryor's raw athleticism and upside a few years down the road as well. Big deal. It hasn't panned out yet. Maybe it will. But it hasn't yet and we are talking about right now.

So would you like to try something else?

enigmaax;491714 wrote:If you can't win with your biggest strength that is supposed to separate you from another QB, what do all those yards really mean?

enigmaax;491714 wrote: For all of Pryor's running ability and for as much of a statue as Boeckman was in the pocket, Boeckman took less sacks per pass attempt.

dat dude;491729 wrote:First downs??? What kind of question is that?

Great. You can take your "less sacks per pass attempt" and I'll take 1500 yards rushing and 14 more TDs.

And I would be careful in talking performance in big games. In Pryor's biggest game, he performed. In Boeckman's biggest game, he sucked.

enigmaax;491737 wrote:So, two direct questions....please give direct answers. You'd take Pryor's biggest choke(s) in games that kept OSU out of a title game, against mediocre to bad competition over Boeckman's big choke in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game? To you, a Rose Bowl win is better than playing for the NC?

dat dude;491741 wrote:Aren't we talking best QBs in OSU history? Why would one game be the determining factor? Looking at career numbers (which would be the operative facts), Pryor has clearly performed better.

And your questions deal with different variables. Not all seasons are equal. Most Buckeye fans acknowledge how fortunate OSU was to sneak into the NC game in '07. That had little to do with Boeckman's play, as he clearly struggled down the stretch.

Let me guess, you think Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino?

dat dude;491741 wrote:
Let me guess, you think Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino?

dat dude;491747 wrote:Did you not see my post with the career stats? If you are going to play the "leader" and the "intangible qualities" card, then I can't please you. And if you think Boeckman "led" OSU to the NC game that year, then you didn't watch much of the season. But there is absolutely no way I would trade Pryor for Boeckman at this moment, and I really doubt any other Buckeye fans would either. Essentially, that is the premise of the thread.

So, Dilfer>Marino?

enigmaax;491752 wrote:Maybe Boeckman didn't "lead", but he also didn't lose the games that he should've won that cost his team a shot at the title.

dat dude;491761 wrote:Didn't he lost at home to Illinois while going 13-23 for 156 yards and 3 INTs when OSU was 10-0 and #1 in the nation?? Smh.

enigmaax;491737 wrote:So, two direct questions....please give direct answers. You'd take Pryor's biggest choke(s) in games that kept OSU out of a title game, against mediocre to bad competition over Boeckman's big choke in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game? To you, a Rose Bowl win is better than playing for the NC?

enigmaax;491782 wrote:To a Rose Bowl team? Okay, well, it wasn't...Purdue.

But since you seem to avoid all of my questions, I'll try one more just so I'm sure I understand. Your compelling argument for why Pryor is laughably better than Boeckman is because Pryor won a Rose Bowl and has more career yards rushing? Is that a fair summary?

sleeper;491817 wrote:Troy Smith is the best college QB I've ever see, obviously isn't translating to the pros but we've heard that before.

Krenzel is #2 because he brought us to the promise land.

Pryor is probably #3, bank it.

that_guy;491223 wrote:Bellisari above Krenzel????

1. Rex Kern
2. Troy Smith
3. Joe Germaine
4. Terrell Pryor
5. Art Schlichter
6. Cornelius Greene
7. Bobby Hoying
8. Stan Jackson
9. Craig Krenzel
10. Steve Bellisari
11. Kent Graham
12. Mike Tomczak
13. Greg Frey
14. Todd Boeckman
15. Kirk Herbstreit
16. Tom Tupa
17. Jim Karsatos

Pick6;491796 wrote:You are wrong again. OSU's national title hopes were dashed after the USC game. The SEC champion was going to be in the national championship no matter what, and OSU would not have leaped Texas after losing to USC.

dat dude;491804 wrote:Bottom line: line up both player's respective stats together and add in the fact that in the two seasons that Pryor was a starter his SOS was better than Boeckman in 2007, and its an easy choice.

Also, is the only fact you are hanging your hat on is that Missouri and West Virginia both lost their last regular season game so that OSU could back into the NC game? Oh ya, and that backing in was led by Boeckman, of course. The same Boeckman who combined to go 26-62 for 414 yards, 2 TD and 6 INTs in the biggest 3 games of his life (final 3 games of '07 season, not including debacle at USC, 14-21 84 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs)?

And I'll ask, do rushing yards not account for offense? Why do you continue to discredit rushing yards, just because they came from the quarterback position? This isn't "Who is the better passer?"

enigmaax;491903 wrote:Oh, I forgot. Who quarterbacked that USC loss?......And put up a paltry 15 points at home against a team that went on to lose to Washington and have 47 and 55 hung on them later. His stat line in that game (I've already posted all of this, not sure where you got that I was "wrong" about his sucking against inferior competition - should they not have beaten USC at home?): 11-25-177-0 TDs - 1 INT (44% completions); 10 carries 36 yards (with one run accounting for 17 of those)

believer;491879 wrote:OK OK OK I modified the list.

enigmaax;491905 wrote:SOS? Oh geez, now you are really stretching. Still, Pryor's worst games didn't necessarily come against his better competition. I've already shown you Pryor's numbers in the games that had the biggest impact on his legacy. The only thing special about them is they are what separates the greatness of his potential from the reality that he is an average quarterback that has won a lot of other games with a good team around him (sound familiar?).

Pick6;491908 wrote: If you really want to compare scores...Oregon should have beat us by about 50.

Pick6;491908 wrote:I would take a Rose Bowl win over a National Championship embarrasment anyday