jordo212000;487129 wrote:trep knows what I am talking about. I was saying that Tress does not always play the better guy. Sometimes he is very reluctant to take his "guy" out of the lineup. Smith/Zwick is a perfect example of that.

Yes, I played football Webfire, but if you follow Ohio State at all, you would know that their defense is very very simple compared to a lot of places. Heacock mentions all the time that he cares about his guys playing fast and does not want them thinking too much out there. Let's not insult Sabino's intelligence and say that he can't grasp the defense. Obviously Tress thinks Sweat has been better though, and he is the only person that matters.

FatHobbit;487091 wrote:Zwick was horrible in the Marshall game, but through two games Troy was 2 for 5 for 29 yards and 1 touchdown. He had also run 6 times for 7 yards. those are hardly solid numbers that would make me want to bench my superstar recruit.



Maybe because he hadn't earned his spot back in practice? He was suspended and he lost his starting position. Zwick led us to a bowl win over Oklahoma State and a win over Miami. Why would you bench him after that? His sophomore year Troy completed 55% of his passes for 896 yards, 8 touchdowns and 3 pics. He also ran for 339 yards and 2 touchdowns. Those are hardly stats that guarantee you a starting spot.

I do agree that once your in the dog house with Tressel you have to work to get out of it, but I don't have a problem with that.

FatHobbit;487091 wrote: Maybe because he hadn't earned his spot back in practice? He was suspended and he lost his starting position. Zwick led us to a bowl win over Oklahoma State and a win over Miami. Why would you bench him after that? His sophomore year Troy completed 55% of his passes for 896 yards, 8 touchdowns and 3 pics. He also ran for 339 yards and 2 touchdowns. Those are hardly stats that guarantee you a starting spot.

LJ;487184 wrote:Get the fuck outta here with facts

trep14;487211 wrote:Zwick and Smith stats for 2004:

. Comp Att Yds % yds/at TD INT Rating

Zwick 98 187 1209 52.4 6.47 6 6 110.9

Smith 68 122 896 55.7 7.34 8 3 134.1

Yeah, I'd say Smith was better and probably should have been guaranteed a starting spot on his return.

LJ;487216 wrote:Yes, lets toss a Guy who hadn't played in a game in 9 months into the full starting spot in the biggest game of the year. Smith was shitty until mid season that year

jmog;487065 wrote:Oh I know where my B10 Network channel is, but what I'm saying is that a different game than Ohio St vs OU is listed as being shown on my guide.

I have Dish Network in the Cleveland/Akron region and it is showing a different game.

trep14;487200 wrote:True. But the big picture is that Zwick went 3-3 as a starter before being yanked for Smith. Troy Smith, even with those stats, went 4-1.

trep14;487200 wrote:And Zwick went may have went 2-0 in Smiths absence (vs Oklahoma State and Miami of Ohio), but common sense says you hand the job right back to Smith when he comes back. Zwick was solid but not out of this world in those two starts (17-27 for 189 yards against Oklahoma State, 17/23 for 155 yards against Miami of Ohio, a combined 2 TD's and 1 INT in those two games).

trep14;487200 wrote:How did giving Zwick significant time against Texas play out? My only memory of him in that game was that fumble that sealed the game. From that point on, we didn't see too much of Zwick.

karen lotz;487222 wrote:Do you have any of the BTN alternate channels? Which Big Ten game are they showing in that area?

trep14;487219 wrote:Haha he only played two bad games all season. San Diego State (and that was just in terms of passing, he had 2 td's and 87 yards on the ground) and Penn State..which I'm pretty sure was more a case of PSU's D was really good that year than anything about rust.

FatHobbit;487233 wrote:Zwick went 3-3 with losses to Northwestern (finished 5-3 in the big ten), Wisconsin (finished 6-2 in the big ten) and Iowa (finished 7-1 in the big ten)

Troy was 4-1 against Indiana (finished 1-7 in the big ten), Penn State (finished 2-6 in the big ten), Michigan State (finished 4-4 in the big ten), Purdue (finished 4-4 in the big ten) and Michigan (finished 7-1 in the big ten).

The Michigan win was HUGE, but I'm not so sure we would have won those first three big ten games with Troy at QB.



Tressel made him earn the starting job back. I don't have a problem with that.



Against Texas Zwick went 9/15 (60%) for 44 yards and ran 5 times for 11 yards. If Handby could have made the catch he would have had a touchdown too.

Troy was 5/11 (45%) for 78 yards and a touchdown and ran 13 times for 27 yards.

At the end of the game, OSU had the ball down by 1. Texas sacked Troy in the end zone for a safety. That was when the game was really over.

FatHobbit;487242 wrote:That was in 2005 after he had already won the starting job.

trep14;487246 wrote:Ok but I mean if Zwick is going to struggle with Cincinnati and Marshall, is it really too much of a stretch to assume that he would have struggled with the teams that Smith played against?

trep14;487246 wrote:And the game was essentially over when Zwick fumbled with 2 minutes left on OSU's 20 with OSU down 1. Texas ran the clock down to 25 seconds, went for it on 4th down and OSU got the ball back with 0:25 seconds on their own 1 with no timeouts left. Sorry, I don't think Peyton Manning is bringing you back with those kind of odds.

trep14;487246 wrote:The fact of the matter is, it took Tressel wayyyy too long to play Smith over Zwick. I can't believe anyone who actually watched either of those two play would argue that Zwick ever looked like he was better than Smith. It tells me everything I need to know when we didn't see much of Zwick after the Texas game. He should have been replaced much sooner than he was in 2004 and he never should have been seeing significant time after Smith came back.

trep14;487248 wrote:Yeah but LJ's argument was that Smith was shitty halfway through 2005 because he was too rusty.