http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/07/pastor-says-church-deterred-petraeus-warning-koran-burning/



This is generating some pub, which I'm sure is what the church wants. The great thing is they are covered under our Constitution and Bill of Rights to do it too. Just like those that burn the flag, crash military funerals, and put a statue of Jesus in urine and call it art.

God bless America.

More power to them. I don't agree with it and think it promotes racism towards Arab people, but like you said they are technically allowed to do it.

How is this news? I'm dissapointed in the media for even covering this.

edit - he's within his rights to do it, but I don't understand why anyone gives a crap about it.

Gen. Petraeus has chimed in apparently and believes that images of burning Qu'rans will put our troops in danger

I've said this to someone else already, but here goes...

1. He's an idiot, just goes to show you that there are plenty "Christian" idiots out there just as their are Muslim idiots. I just wish at times that more Christians were actually "Christ like" since that what the word Christian in greek means, this guy is a moron.
2. I heard stories of groups in the ME up in arms over this chanting "Kill the Americans". If this is true it does show one major difference in the two religions. If most Christians saw some idiot Muslims burning the Bible, they'd be mad, but wouldn't protest it chanting "Kill all the Muslims".

Gen. Petraeus has chimed in apparently and believes that images of burning Qu'rans will put our troops in danger

I think the troops are already in danger.

I agree with jmog.

This is supremely dumb and makes the group quite far away from what the Bible tells us to be. However they are within their rights to do it so I'm just not going to pay attention to it or let it get me upset.

jmog;474899 wrote:I've said this to someone else already, but here goes...

1. He's an idiot, just goes to show you that there are plenty "Christian" idiots out there just as their are Muslim idiots. I just wish at times that more Christians were actually "Christ like" since that what the word Christian in greek means, this guy is a moron.
2. I heard stories of groups in the ME up in arms over this chanting "Kill the Americans". If this is true it does show one major difference in the two religions. If most Christians saw some idiot Muslims burning the Bible, they'd be mad, but wouldn't protest it chanting "Kill all the Muslims".[/QUOTE]

Well put- these people need to get a life and open their Bibles and actually do what it says.

That said- Bibles have been burned/destroyed for centuries, "Jesus Christ" has been a common swear word since forever ago, and Family Guy and other jackass TV programs have been making fun of Jesus for a long time now. And how do American Christians respond? Yeah I don't like it, and I don't have to like it, but when have you seen someone's life in danger because of those things?

Now contrast that with:

"It's their Holy Book, so when somebody says that they're going to destroy that and cause a desecration to something that's very sacred to them, it's already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern amongst the people," he said.

"We very much feel that this could jeopardize the safety of our men and women that are serving over here," Caldwell added.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters in Washington Tuesday that he “strongly condemned” the church’s plan.

“I think such actions are in a strong contradiction with all of the values we stand for and fight for,” he said.

Now why would our troops be in even more danger because of Koran-burning?

jhay78;474960 wrote:

jmog;474899 wrote:I've said this to someone else already, but here goes...

1. He's an idiot, just goes to show you that there are plenty "Christian" idiots out there just as their are Muslim idiots. I just wish at times that more Christians were actually "Christ like" since that what the word Christian in greek means, this guy is a moron.
2. I heard stories of groups in the ME up in arms over this chanting "Kill the Americans". If this is true it does show one major difference in the two religions. If most Christians saw some idiot Muslims burning the Bible, they'd be mad, but wouldn't protest it chanting "Kill all the Muslims".[/QUOTE]

Well put- these people need to get a life and open their Bibles and actually do what it says.

That said- Bibles have been burned/destroyed for centuries, "Jesus Christ" has been a common swear word since forever ago, and Family Guy and other jackass TV programs have been making fun of Jesus for a long time now. And how do American Christians respond? Yeah I don't like it, and I don't have to like it, but when have you seen someone's life in danger because of those things?

Now contrast that with:



Now why would our troops be in even more danger because of Koran-burning?

They don't have to burn the Bible all they have to do is build a Mosque on their own private property to get an angry response from Christians

jhay78;474960 wrote:Now why would our troops be in even more danger because of Koran-burning?

Here's my best guesses:

Because Christians are good and pure, but Muslims are the devil?

Because clearly every Muslim is a responsible for the actions of every other Muslim, but this Christian is a whacko and clearly beyond control of any normal Christians?

Because we should have just declared holy war on everything different that's not in America and then and only then we will be safe?

This church and its pastor are hardly demonstrating Christ's love to those who persecute him by doing this publicity stunt. I doubt Jesus would approve.

That being said these fools are well within their right to do so in this country. I wish they wouldn't for the very reason's General Petraeus has expressed...but as Prescott noted, our troops are already in harms way. The problem is this one wacko church will, of course, "prove" to some leftist loons that all evangelical Christians are radical Qu'ran burners.

It also amazes me that the actions of one American extremist church can ignite a mild firestorm of intense protest in the Muslim world. And as usual these protests aren't advocating "love thy enemy." While burning a qu'ran demonstrates foolishness and ignorance, I do not hear their church members calling for the deaths of all Muslims for the deeds of 9/11.

Conversely, the angry protests in the Muslim world with some calling for death to all Americans because of the actions of one absurd and un-Christlike American church only demonstrates once again how the religion of peace is quite the contrary.

Personal faith in our Creator is one thing, but religion as a human institution gives it all a bad name.

It's impossible to compare the reactions of Christians to the reactions of Muslims on these things because the situations that Muslims deal with (specifically the ones calling for violence) and Christians deal with (specifically American Christians) on a day to day basis are radically different.

If there was a Muslim nation that was occupying the US, even for a good cause, and that nation's people started poo-pooing Jesus and burning Bibles I'm willing to bet their soldiers would be in more danger than they already were.

^^^The only problem with your argument is that the protests are not isolated to Afghanistan: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704282504575471870674163414.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird

I'm pretty certain we aren't occupying Indonesia.

You are right. But many of the Muslim countries are a lot more volatile places than the US.

I'm not saying it's right for them to say such things or attempt to kill Americans. Because both are stupid, misguided, downright wrong things to do. I'm just saying that stating "see, we don't do that kind of thing when they x" isn't really a fair comparison because our situations are entirely different.

Someone burns a Bible in Iraq or calls Jesus fake or something and my response is "really? why not just avoid practicing that religion instead of mocking everyone who does and burning what they hold sacred?" but then I go back to playing Halo or doing something else. I guess we're more relaxed about that sort of thing because we have other things going on. School, work, dicking around on the internet, etc to keep us from getting incensed everytime someone insults our faith.

It also amazes me that the actions of one American extremist church can ignite a mild firestorm of intense protest in the Muslim world. And as usual these protests aren't advocating "love thy enemy." While burning a qu'ran demonstrates foolishness and ignorance, I do not hear their church members calling for the deaths of all Muslims for the deeds of 9/11.

Conversely, the angry protests in the Muslim world with some calling for death to all Americans because of the actions of one absurd and un-Christlike American church only demonstrates once again how the religion of peace is quite the contrary.

Exactly, believer. This whole "story" gives us a real insight into the religion of peace. I also agree that this act is un-Christianlike.

This isn't about "religious freedom" it's a matter of common sense and respect. If Christians TRULY respected the feelings of Muslims on this issue we wouldn't be having this conversation. That tells me there is something more sinister behind this effort. And of course, the politically correct imbeciles, like the mayor of Gainesville, are going right along with it.

and just where did the money come from to build this church?

Can you believe there are already atleast 4 other Christian churches within 2 miles of this one?!?!?

There is also an elementary school a half mile away, they should be more sensitive to the children and families of the children.

:rolleyes:

Anyone who supports this is a bigot and should be ashamed of themselves

Do they and you guys realize that 95% of Muslims are good people and hate what happened on 9/11?

Uh huh, wow that 95% figure was just pulled out of your ass. Like you know and speak for all Muslims now, huh Chud? Give me a freaking break.

Not a fan at all and just adds one more data point in the ongoing fight against radical Islam.
What this idiot fails to understand is that PR is a huge factor in counterinsurgency strategy. The General was right in that it gives more ammo for radicals to recruit new members.
Not a good idea and I hope it does not happen.

Not a fan at all and just adds one more data point in the ongoing fight against radical Islam.
What this idiot fails to understand is that PR is a huge factor in counterinsurgency strategy. The General was right in that it gives more ammo for radicals to recruit new members.
Not a good idea and I hope it does not happen.

Do actions like these tend to push non-radical Muslims away from or toward radical Islam? The latter, I would think.

The actions of this church are counter productive to its mission to reach people for Christ. Especially those with a muslim background.

why would our troops be in even more danger because of Koran-burning?

Is this a serious question? If one promotes religious wars...then more religious wars one will get. the Central Intelligence Agency has written manifestos on this...this is not an anomaly regarding what Petraeous has proclaimed here.

It's called blowback. It's pretty easy to recruit Islamic radicals, when the US Christian clergy are burning their holy book. Just as it was really easy for Al Quada to recruit thousands in Iraq after America invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.

Come on jhay...this is not rocket science.

queencitybuckeye;475163 wrote:Do actions like these tend to push non-radical Muslims away from or toward radical Islam? The latter, I would think.

Exactly. And any person with half of a brain would understand this.

tk421;475130 wrote:Uh huh, wow that 95% figure was just pulled out of your ass. Like you know and speak for all Muslims now, huh Chud? Give me a freaking break.

You do realize I'm not chud right?