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Sep 8, 2010 6:58 PM
I also wonder...where is the proof? Wouldn't there be a contract for salary signed by the Kanter's? Wouldn't there be some documentation from his Turkish team that he was paid? I mean this stuff isn't rocket science. Money trails are traced all the time. This shouldn't be too hard to determine. If there was any large sum of money that changed hands or any related transactions made between the team and/or the Kanter family, it's clear cut. My question is, why don't all of these "sources" have this? Surely it's not that hard to prove is it?
Sep 8, 2010 6:58pm
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Sep 8, 2010 10:51 PM
From everything available, Enes Kanter comes from a well-educated family. I still have to wonder why they would have pursued this move to the US, enrolled him in HS and then to UK if they knew his pro team had these so-called "statements" to prove he would be ineligible. It just doesn't add up. There are just too many agendas on one side and none on the other for me to really buy the argument.

Also, if the Turkish pro team wanted Kanter to stay there and not be allowed to go to the U.S., why not try this a long time ago? Why would they just send the documents to the NCAA now? Seems a little too convenient that they would wait until a month before practices start and after UK has started classes before they try to prove he should be ineligible. The NYT article stated they just recently sent the NCAA the information, you would think if they had such a concrete case it would've been done a long time ago.
Sep 8, 2010 10:51pm
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Sep 9, 2010 8:24 AM
Azubuike24;476530 wrote:From everything available, Enes Kanter comes from a well-educated family. I still have to wonder why they would have pursued this move to the US, enrolled him in HS and then to UK if they knew his pro team had these so-called "statements" to prove he would be ineligible. It just doesn't add up. There are just too many agendas on one side and none on the other for me to really buy the argument.

Also, if the Turkish pro team wanted Kanter to stay there and not be allowed to go to the U.S., why not try this a long time ago? Why would they just send the documents to the NCAA now? Seems a little too convenient that they would wait until a month before practices start and after UK has started classes before they try to prove he should be ineligible. The NYT article stated they just recently sent the NCAA the information, you would think if they had such a concrete case it would've been done a long time ago.

I would think you have been around long enough to realize that the NCAA moves at their own pace. I have seen it happen at OSU. Recently USC, which took YEARS, and many others for that matter. Just because this has recently come out in the media, doesn't mean this all just happened. On top of that, the NCAA isn't this huge entity that has many resources. They are currently investigating quite a few things going on in college.
Look at the Sidney kid from Miss St. last year. Different situation obviously...but he enrolled at Miss St. and the NCAA drug that out until May before they made a decision. He sat the entire season.
The NCAA doesn't rush through anything.

As for Kanter and his family...no offense, but just because they are highly educated, doesn't mean they wouldn't try to get around the system. They are obviously from another country and my guess is, didn't know nor realize many of the NCAA rules. And even if they did know the rules, as I mentioned above, who is to say they were not trying to get around the system. It wouldn't be the first time someone who is highly educated has tried to do so.
And who knows exactly what went on with the Turkish pro team. They are obviously pissed with how things played out. Maybe the NCAA just requested the info from them. Maybe they held out long enough to screw the kid from being able to play in the US. Who knows? We probably know about 10% of what is actually going on, or what went on.
But if there is ANY truth to what is being published...no way no how does this kid step on a college floor.
Sep 9, 2010 8:24am
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Sep 10, 2010 11:37 AM
The NCAA deals daily with international students trying to qualify, and that is usually done in a timely manner. It's the investigations into the past that take forever.
Sep 10, 2010 11:37am
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Sep 10, 2010 1:49 PM
thedynasty1998;478438 wrote:The NCAA deals daily with international students trying to qualify, and that is usually done in a timely manner. It's the investigations into the past that take forever.

Yes. But the issue is much more complex now then just a normal international student trying to qualify. Its now an investigation with Kanter supposedly being paid.
Sep 10, 2010 1:49pm
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Sep 16, 2010 1:18 AM
Looks like Kanter may be eligible very soon. He has been cleared to begin practicing with the team. It seems some are now optimistic he won't miss any time, but we will see.
Sep 16, 2010 1:18am
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Sep 24, 2010 7:37 PM
Looks like Eric Bledsoe was cleared with his grades as well. More unneeded negative press against UK? I guess we'll see. However, I doubt there are any apologies for those who slandered him, Bledsoe and the program.
Sep 24, 2010 7:37pm
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Sep 24, 2010 8:59 PM
Azubuike24;495806 wrote:Calipari said it himself in a recent ESPN article.

Enes Kanter WILL play for Kentucky. I doubt he would make this statement if he wasn't sure about it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/15657/calipari-enes-kanter-will-play-for-kentucky

Lets not twist this too much. Its Cal making these statements. How many coaches have made similar?
"The kid, in my mind, is an amateur," Calipari said. "He never signed anything. He played on a club over in Europe. But how they rule that thing out, I have no idea"

There is no statement from the NCAA. Not saying he won't be cleared, maybe he will. And from what I read, he might be based that when he did play, he was under 18, and when under 18, players are unable to sign contracts. Although can still be paid. Which I have no doubt he was. But again, looks as though he may slip through a lucky loophole.
Sep 24, 2010 8:59pm
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Sep 24, 2010 9:01 PM
Azubuike24;495808 wrote:Looks like Eric Bledsoe was cleared with his grades as well. More unneeded negative press against UK? I guess we'll see. However, I doubt there are any apologies for those who slandered him, Bledsoe and the program.

And this doesn't surprise me. Having some good knowledge about this subject, unless someone at his HS cooperates or admits(which would cost them their job), its almost impossible to prove anything happened as far as any kind of grade change, or the reason why the change happened. Its not uncommon and I will admit, it really isn't a UK issue, except that Bledsoe played there. Really doesn't matter one way or the other. Still pretty fishy if you read about it though. And no matter where Bledsoe went, it would have come out publicly. It just so happened he was at UK. So sorry, its not the world vs UK as you make it out to be...over and over again. lol

http://www.digitalsportsdaily.com/news/3722-grade-changes-for-bledsoe-not-credible.html
Sep 24, 2010 9:01pm
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Sep 25, 2010 10:45 AM
Little more detailed report about the Bledsoe situation. Yes, I can freely admit this wasn't on UK, nor should it be. But again, its not the world against UK either as no matter where Bledsoe went, this would have been an issue. And there is pretty much no question, that Bledsoe was given preferential treatment in high school by his math teacher. Very unethical and certainly not fair to others/non athletes. And I am sure this goes on much more then we are ever aware of. I have no issue with grades changes, those things happen. But when it doesn't happen across the board, then there is an issue.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5612393
Sep 25, 2010 10:45am
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Sep 25, 2010 1:13 PM
Does CBF spend more time on Kentucky basketball threads or Ohio St?
Sep 25, 2010 1:13pm
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Sep 25, 2010 2:19 PM
TheMightyGators;496423 wrote:Does CBF spend more time on Kentucky basketball threads or Ohio St?

About as much time as you do following me and other OSU fans around....stalker.
Sep 25, 2010 2:19pm
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Sep 25, 2010 10:58 PM
Kinda wondering the same as you Gators. I mainly see CBF on the UK threads. However I don't read all the ohio state threads, nor post on them putting down the University, the coaches, or the Administration, or recruiting practices. I could care less about them, meaning ohio state. I guess I'm just glad that some OSU fans care enough post on the UK threads. If the same things were posted on their threads it's only because because we are jealous...Just sayin'.
Sep 25, 2010 10:58pm
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Sep 25, 2010 11:28 PM
Azubuike24;495808 wrote:Looks like Eric Bledsoe was cleared with his grades as well. More unneeded negative press against UK? I guess we'll see. However, I doubt there are any apologies for those who slandered him, Bledsoe and the program.

Did you read the report?
Sep 25, 2010 11:28pm
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Sep 26, 2010 12:50 AM
Another freaking Communist.
Sep 26, 2010 12:50am
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Sep 26, 2010 12:51 AM
Curly J;497395 wrote:Kinda wondering the same as you Gators. I mainly see CBF on the UK threads. However I don't read all the ohio state threads, nor post on them putting down the University, the coaches, or the Administration, or recruiting practices. I could care less about them, meaning ohio state. I guess I'm just glad that some OSU fans care enough post on the UK threads. If the same things were posted on their threads it's only because because we are jealous...Just sayin'.
Another freaking Communist.
Sep 26, 2010 12:51am
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Sep 26, 2010 1:12 AM
RiverRat13;497424 wrote:Did you read the report?

Maybe I didn't really make myself clear. Bledsoe was cleared as far as any NCAA investigation goes. As he should have been from the beginning, at least from the perspective of Kentucky and anything that could've been handed down against them. Remember, this issue was REPORTED by the media as being Kentucky-related, as it somehow could've been something that would go against their standing. This part of the article pretty much summed it up:

While its very plausible that Bledsoe was given preferential treatment, and it appears he did, (like thousands of student-athletes everyday -a practice which has been the tradition in America for years) you have to question what motivates the investigation into Bledsoe's grades.

If media reports and the investigation have been fueled by subtle racist speculation about Bledsoe's academic skills, then that should be considered when assessing this story. That is not necessarily the case, but it is a possibility worth considering.

No doubt the investigation was, in some part, sparked and fueled by some media and fans who have been waiting to say 'gotcha' to Kentucky coach John Calipari after NCAA investigations at UMass and Memphis where he coached previously.

But the Bledsoe chapter of the story ends here, it would seem.

This is basically what I had said from the beginning. What was the motivation to even give any focus on this case where there are thousands of others like it in college athletics that go unreported and unpublished every year?
Sep 26, 2010 1:12am
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Sep 26, 2010 2:36 PM
Big Gain;497517 wrote:Another freaking Communist.
Communist ??? Alllllrightythem
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Sep 27, 2010 9:26 AM
Curly J;497395 wrote:Kinda wondering the same as you Gators. I mainly see CBF on the UK threads. However I don't read all the ohio state threads, nor post on them putting down the University, the coaches, or the Administration, or recruiting practices. I could care less about them, meaning ohio state. I guess I'm just glad that some OSU fans care enough post on the UK threads. If the same things were posted on their threads it's only because because we are jealous...Just sayin'.

First of all, last I checked, I am permitted to post where and whenever I want. There is no Ohio Chatter Police. Secondly, I am a college basketball fan and enjoy staying up on the latest.
And I have freely admitted my dislike for Calipari as well, for OBVIOUS reasons. So I chose to follow this story. If it were Roy Williams, Matta, or whomever, I would do the same.
Lastley, if I choose to post here, or wherever...you certainly don't have to read them. That is your choice. So get over it.

Just sayin'!
Sep 27, 2010 9:26am
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Oct 2, 2010 4:13 PM
They had all the facts on the Dee Bost case in early June and they just ruled him eligible. There were other guys like Josh Selby, Will Barton and others who weren't ruled eligible until recently, even though there was no new information since they finished high school. The NCAA just moves slow on this kind of stuff. Sadly, it's pretty typical.

I'd understand if it was an ongoing investigation, but Kanter has been in the United States for almost a year and hasn't played in any international competition since the Nike Summit game in April. The facts in the case have to be pretty clear cut at this point. If he indeed signed a binding contract to receive money, then he's ineligible. Whether or not he was paid isn't really the issue, it was whether he had a binding contract to receive benefits from a pro team, which would ruin his status.

Those who are back in his native country who want him to be ineligible and see him unable to play in the United States for another year should surely have already provided proof of this contract if they had it. You would think it would be an open and shut case at that point. My guess is there is no such proof, and it's a he said/she said type case. In that scenario, you can never trust the NCAA or even predict how they will rule.

The Dee Bost ruling shocked me and went against any conventional wisdom on trying to guess how the NCAA will rule on something. However, in that case, they MAY HAVE taken the high road and done what is best to benefit the student athlete.
Oct 2, 2010 4:13pm
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Oct 8, 2010 1:21 AM
Washington finally gets someone as they nab Tony Wroten.
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Oct 10, 2010 9:19 PM
With Big Blue Madness approaching this week, no decision on Enes Kanter has been made yet. However, read this article:

http://collegebasketballtalk.com/848

A player enrolled at Oregon played internationally for three "pay for play club teams" in Germany and has been ruled eligible by the NCAA.
Oct 10, 2010 9:19pm