Footwedge;459177 wrote:6) In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law...7) In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

dwccrew;459205 wrote:I think Muslims should be sensitive to the feelings of the families of the 9/11 victims and not build a mosque at that location only if the Japanese are sensitive to the feelings of Pearl Harbor victims and not live in Hawaii.

This is the most ignorant argument I have read in a long time. Some of the accusations tossed towards Muslims is ridiculous. As someone who grew up in a Muslim family (my father's side) and grew up going to a mosque (I don't claim any religion as my faith though) I can say I have never in my life seen with my own eyes or heard with my own ears any Muslim talk about destroying the infidels. And I grew up in one of the most populated places in the country (outside of the middle east) of arabs and muslims and attended one of the largest mosques in North America.

No matter what most of you on here say, you have had limited to no contact with muslims except for what you see sensationalized on television or what Fox News pumps into your heads. I have grown up with these people and although I may not believe in their religion, I have never heard any of them talk about killing anyone because they think differently and I have encountered thousands of muslims throughtout my 28 years.

As to the topic, I see no reason why this mosque shouldn't be able to legally build at this location. Personal opinions mean jack shit in this situation. As long as they are abiding by the laws of the United States and New York, what is the problem? Grow some thicker skin people. Just because someone is different than you, you shouldn't ostricize them. Didn't we learn that as children? The way some are speaking on here, we should bring back the "seperate, but equal" mentality.

Christ, the way some people feel on here you'd think these people were involved on 9/11.

cbus4life;459215 wrote:Maybe not a "zero" percent chance, but i would say Gibby being the GOP nominee for President in 2012 is more likely.

You might as well call yourself a liberal, and join our side. You've now learned to fear monger and take things to ridiculous extremes in order to make a point.

Rahm would be proud, as you're certainly not letting this "crisis" go to waste.

BoatShoes;458929 wrote:It's a Christians mission to deny themselves and take up their cross and follow christ and yet I don't see most christians living their lives that way that hardcore.

majorspark;458682 wrote: Radical islamic elements took down more than two buildings in NYC, damaged the pentagon, hijacking and crashing three commercial airliners, and killing nearly 3,000 Americans. The backlash against muslims in America was mild. No wide spread killing of muslims, no wide spread destruction of mosques, no wide spread destruction of muslim businesses, and no rounding up of 10's of thousands of muslim men to be placed in concentration camps.

majorspark;458682 wrote:Seven years later we elect a president with a muslim father, who attended a muslim school in a muslim country, and has a muslim sounding name. We are so far from your comparisons of kristallnacht and what happened to the Jews in Germany it is ridiculous.

majorspark;458682 wrote:Let me say this loud and clear. I do not want the federal government to intervene in anyway. Even if that means the mosque is built on the planned site. The state of NY and specifically the local government in NYC are more then capable to handle this issue. They are the ones that live there..

believer;459226 wrote:Maybe I forgot to use "sarcasm alert" in my post? C'mon Ptown...I'd hope you know me better than that.

I think Muslims should be sensitive to the feelings of the families of the 9/11 victims and not build a mosque at that location only if the Japanese are sensitive to the feelings of Pearl Harbor victims and not live in Hawaii.

This is the crap that annoys me. It is not just in NY.

Prescott;459339 wrote:This exactly why the Muslims who want to build the NYC mosque should back off. The good PR that decision would yield is much more important than one mosque.

Why can't it continue and people more understanding, open to things?

Prescott;459432 wrote:Because we don't live in a Utopia.

As I posted earlier, I don't care if this mosques is built. I just think that the Imam could do more good by backing off.

Footwedge;459177 wrote:6) In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

7) In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1086.htm

That's just 2 of the many quotes from the new testament...I can find many others...that promote utter violence against the "non believers".

The Constitution is being shredded by Sharia Law? SMH.

Explain to me exactly how the Muslim religion will overtake the United States. Do you really think that? I mean...come on...[/

cbus4life;459215 wrote:Maybe not a "zero" percent chance, but i would say Gibby being the GOP nominee for President in 2012 is more likely.

Are you serious with this stuff?

I mean, Major, Writer, Believer, and others have some valid points on this thread, and i can see where they are coming from. Doesn't mean i agree with them, but their ideas are at least based in some sort of reality.

This is not.

You might as well call yourself a liberal, and join our side. You've now learned to fear monger and take things to ridiculous extremes in order to make a point.

Rahm would be proud, as you're certainly not letting this "crisis" go to waste.

ptown_trojans_1;459313 wrote:This is the crap that annoys me. It is not just in NY.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews

ptown_trojans_1;459351 wrote:Why can't it continue and people more understanding, open to things?

Writerbuckeye;459452 wrote:You of all people should know the answer to this, considering what you do for a living.

The real world doesn't work that simply; never has; never will.

Regardless of the LEGAL arguments being discussed (or not), you have to admit that what they are proposing is insensitive.

The reaction proves it. Given that reaction, the compassionate response would be to back off and ditch the plan. Pushing forward as they are doing, only serves to deepen suspicions and spread more fear and disrespect.

"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries. "What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world."

Footwedge;459177 wrote:6) In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

7) In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1086.htm

That's just 2 of the many quotes from the new testament...I can find many others...that promote utter violence against the "non believers".

jmog;459559 wrote:You should stop quoting the Bible if you aren't going to actually read and understand the part you are quoting.

In the Mark 7 passage, if you read the whole chapter, you will see that the Pharisees (religious leaders at the time) questioned Jesus as to why he didn't chastise his disciples for not properly washing their hands according to the Jewish laws/traditions before eating. They were trying to find fault in him. He called them out in their own hypocracy by saying that why are they so adherent to this particular Jewish law, but they don't follow the law that said to let a child die who curses their parents?

He did NOT tell them that they SHOULD kill their children, he called them out on their own hypocracy in following their own Jewish Laws (FYI, Jewish Law/Traditions are different than God given moral laws of the Old Testament).

In the Luke 19 passage, oh my goodness you can't be serious? Jesus was telling a story/parable about a ruthless ruler who gave 3 servants some money before he left on a trip to invest. In the end the ruthless ruler had the one who did nothing killed. No where in that parable does it come close to suggesting that Jesus wanted anyone who didn't follow him killed, the story wasn't even about him.

Good Lord you can't be serious with that retarded crap.

Mr. 300;458839 wrote:Footwedge, are you a Muslim??

ptown_trojans_1;459442 wrote:I think he could do more by building it and then opening it up to everyone in the community. (Which if I heard his wife on ABC yesterday morning, they are going to do.)

Footwedge;459698 wrote:To jmog and jayh...here is the exact quote.....

26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

The point being....there are quotes from both the New Testament and the Qur'an, that can be taken out of context. As far as me reading the Bible extensively....or reading the Qur'an at all...neither one applies to me. But I have read plenty of articles on the net regarding this.

My opinion is that the Muslim Religion collectively do not want to kill all of the non believers. And I also don't believe that Jesus wanted anyone killed that were non believers, as the quote above suggests.,