ironman02;424829 wrote:lol...where did this thread come from? Did a Carolina fan piss you off, S&L?

Laley23;424828 wrote:Its a more impressive list than Bill Self's....

Deron Williams
Brandon Rush

Those are the only 2 I would consider good/decent.

thedynasty1998;425083 wrote:To answer the original question, why would a top recruit want to play for Roy Williams?

1. To be in a position to win a national championship
2. It's UNC

SportsAndLady;425089 wrote:Right but if you're good enough to play for UNC, is your top priority not to play professional basketball? And succeed? Seems to me, Roy's players are coached to win college championships, not to succeed at the next level.

Right but if you're good enough to play for UNC, is your top priority not to play professional basketball? And succeed? Seems to me, Roy's players are

UNC pays him to win college championships, the same way Kansas pays Bill Self to win college titles and Duke pays Coach K to win college titles. Anything on top of that is gravy. I'm not calling you out at all because I don't think the thread was meant in a malicious way. Just in the past 5 years, his lottery picks have been:



Marvin Williams

Raymond Felton

Sean May

Rashad McCants

Brandan Wright

Tyler Hansbrough

Ed Davis





It looks to me like he wasn't phenomenal at getting NBA talent to KU but at UNC he's sending a ton of guys to the NBA.



He also hasn't put many good big guys into the NBA. I think that could be a product of a) how many great, back to the basket big guys are there in the NBA anyway? and b) How many NBA big guys could play at the breakneck pace KU and now UNC played at on a yearly basis? But if you were to start an NBA team right now for a season with your 1s, 2s, and 3s being Kirk Hinrich, Raymond Felton, Ty Lawson, Paul Pierce, Marvin Williams, and Wayne Ellington...you'd be in pretty decent shape at those positions as three of those guys started on playoff teams.

cview;425231 wrote:UNC pays him to win college championships, the same way Kansas pays Bill Self to win college titles and Duke pays Coach K to win college titles

SportsAndLady;425237 wrote:That's exactly what I am saying. I am not criticizing Roy, he's doing what he's being paid to do. I'm just saying from a top recruit's standpoint, wouldn't you rather go play for a guy like Calipari? Who has turned out ridiculous NBA talent? Wouldn't you be afraid that you won't be able to succeed in the NBA looking at his players sent to the NBA list and not seeing that great of success?

SportsAndLady;425072 wrote:Actually no I was talking to a friend who happens to be a Duke fan, and he asked me to name the best player outside Paul Pierce that Roy Williams coached, and my answer was Kirk Heinrich...pretty weak.

reclegend22;431986 wrote:It's kind of funny when you think about it, because this is usually a central argument in UNC fans' criticism of K; that he can't produce NBA talent.

Well, off the top of my head, I'd say K's list of well-developed NBA talent far outshines Roy's. (I'll only list those players that went on to have "successful" or "impacting" NBA careers to some degree. This can be for a short period, in Chris Duhon's case, or longer period.)

Christian Laettner
Grant Hill
Corey Maggette
Elton Brand
Shane Battier
Mike Dunleavy
Carlos Boozer
Chris Duhon
Luol Deng
J.J. Redick

With that said, I agree with the notion that college coaches are employed for one thing and one thing only: to win college titles. That's it. And there is no arguing that Roy and K do that better than anyone else, with K being the golden standard by which all others are measured in the college game today.