GOONx19;432197 wrote:^ Maggette is averaging twenty a game since 2002. Elton Brand is averaging 19 and 10 over his career.

Maggette only avg 20 ppg 3 times from 2002-2010 he and Brand took the Clips nowhere, Brand avg 13 ppg the last two years and the only reason he avg 17 ppg 3 yrs ago is because he played in 8 games that year.

I didn't say he's averaged twenty every season. That's his overall average since 2002. And the poster you originally quoted was referring to the players' entire careers, not their current ability. I'm not a Duke fan, but everything in his post was true.

EDIT: He's only averaged 19.6 since 2002.

GOONx19;432290 wrote:I didn't say he's averaged twenty every season. That's his overall average since 2002. And the poster you originally quoted was referring to the players' entire careers, not their current ability. I'm not a Duke fan, but everything in his post was true.

EDIT: He's only averaged 19.6 since 2002.

I see, the way I understood was you meant 20 ppg every season , my bad. I agree with most of what rec said but I don't feel K's players do better than Roys in the L or the other way around, college coaches can only prepare a player so much for the next level

^ I agree with that. The only coach of late who seems to be pushing out NBA talent at a rapid rate is Cal, and he has yet to have the postseason success to defend his system.

Hill is a seven-time All-Star, five-time All-NBA selection and was the 1994-95 co-Rookie of the Year alongside Jason Kidd. Had Hill not developed such crushing injuries early on, there is no telling how great of a pro he could have been. Many were touting Hill then the same way they did Kobe in the early 2000s, as the Next Jordan. Obviously, this didn't turn into reality, but it demonstrates the impact Hill has had on the NBA during his career.

Mike Dunleavy averaged just under 20 points, 6 boards and 3 assists per game for the Pacers in 2007-08, and has scored over 12 per for his career thus far. I'd say that's making an impact. As for Brand, with some better records during his career in LA, he could have been a serious MVP candidate, and he still was at certain points. He put up some stout numbers there for awhile. A two-time All-Star and NBA second teamer in '06, Brand is averaging just under 20 PPG for his career and put up 24.7 points and 10.0 rebounds per night during his NBA second team campaign with the Clippers.

As for Laettner, people expected way too much of him when he left Duke. Very few players could ever have lived up to the kind of hype he had coming out of college, so to judge him off that alone isn't fair. He was named to the All-Star team in 1997 and averaged over 14 points a game through his first seven seasons, including 18.2 as a rookie for Minnesota. He shot just under 50% for his career. To me, that's making "an impact." Add to the equation the injuries he suffered near the turn of the century and you have a shortened career that never was fully allowed to blossom. We didn't see everything Laettner had to offer, which can also be said for Jason Williams and Bobby Hurley before him.

I agree with you, though, that this discussion really doesn't matter. It's merely a fun thing to look at. At the end of the day, Roy and K are college coaches and this isn't a part of their professional duties. What they do do is win titles, and that's what truly matters (but remember, 4>2)

Mike Dunleavy averaged just under 20 points, 6 boards and 3 assists per game for the Pacers in 2007-08, and has scored over 12 per for his career thus far. I'd say that's making an impact

I think it depends on your criteria. I think NBA players are judged by what they do in the playoffs. According to http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dunlemi02.html ,Dunleavy has never appeared in a playoff game in his 10 NBA seasons. That, IMO, makes his impact negligible.

As for Laettner, people expected way too much of him when he left Duke. Very few players could ever have lived up to the kind of hype he had coming out of college,

I agree, the kind of media attention east coast get in comparison to west coast players sometimes slights other more deserving players.

Prescott wrote:I agree, the kind of media attention east coast get in comparison to west coast players sometimes slights other more deserving players.

Please tell me who on the West Coast was a more deserving NPOTY candidate than Laettner in 1991-92? In terms of collegiate numbers, accolades and post-season performance, Laettner was head and shoulders above anyone in the game during his final year in school. I could mention and list a plethora of reasons for this but only one is necessary. '92 East Regional final. 10-for-10. 31 points. "The Shot."

Some players are just better suited for the college game. But I don't think it's completely fair to categorize Laettner as one of those players. He averaged 18 per game as a rookie, with all that hype surrounding him, and continued steadily as a scorer for several seasons, before he tore his Achilles Tendon in 1999. That was pretty much the end of his meaningful contribution to the NBA.

Please tell me who on the West Coast was a more deserving NPOTY candidate

It is GENERAL statement that I believe to be true. It is not specific to CL.

In terms of collegiate numbers, accolades and post-season performance, Laettner was head and shoulders above anyone in the game during his final year in school.

Shaq had better numbers for the season, while being double and triple teamed.Shaq averaged 24 points per game, 14 rebounds per game and over 5 blocks per game. CL's numbers pale in comparison. CL certainly excelled in the tournament and received the accolades.

Some players are just better suited for the college game.

Some players are difficult to evaluate because of the talent surrounding them. This, IMO, is why Laettner's pro career, which was solid and better than most give him credit for, did not meet expectations.