elbuckeye28;416241 wrote:That's what people say now, but Kobe's legacy was at an all time low (minus the trial) when he quit on his team against the Suns in game 7 then demanded a trade. After he got Gasol, Bynum, and Artest and won a couple titles his legacy appears to be so high that his name is often mentioned with MJ. That would not have been the case before those titles. I have a feeling a similar thing will happen with Tiger Woods. Win a major or two and soon everybody will forget about him.

Kobe's legacy was cemented when he won one without Shaq. If Lebron wins a couple with Dwade and a superstar team....it is not the same at all.

thedynasty1998;416150 wrote:Yes it is. How can you question someone's integrity over a message board?

Wow, I can't believe how badly people misquoted me but seeing on who it was I'm not surprised.

I never said that LeBron will be inferior in talent to Wade. Another example is A-Rod and Jeter in NY. A-Rod is better but it's Jeter's team. Hell it's both figuratively and literally Wade's county.

LeBron goes to Miami, he is going to Wade's team. There is nothing you can say that can refute that. Wade won a ring there. Wade has been the face of the franchise the past seven years. It will ALWAYS be seen as LeBron joining up with Wade because HE couldn't bring people to Cleveland. Jpake, you can't look at 164 games and just call them an anomaly. The Cavs had just as good of a chance as the Lakers, Celtics, and Magic to win the title. They didn't get it done in a great part to the ineptitude of Mike Brown (who you conveniently ignore when talking about the Cavs) and in part to the circumstances that surrounded them going into the playoffs (trying to integrate Shaq back in). You can call them excuses since they don't fit your argument that's fine.

If LeBron leaves it's the hometown guy leaving his team that had the best record the past 2 seasons, that offered him more money than any other team, and was committed to spending ungodly amounts of money to winning a championship and keeping him and his boys happy. If he leaves he has NO ONE to blame but himself. He leaves because he wants to party it up in South Beach and be with guys that can (maybe) give him an easy title. He will still be viewed as a great player when it's all said and done but will NEVER be considered one of the greatest because he couldn't be the leader those other greats were. LeBron may be better, but the new Super-Heat is still and will always be Dwayne Wade's team.

ytownfootball;416224 wrote:Should he leave I lose respect for two reasons and two reasons only:

1. You told us you were going to win us a championship

2. By dragging this thing out, you left the Cavs and its fans high and dry, with no possibility to fill a huge void, all the big names are gone already

and before you say..."well no one would come to Cleveland anyway"...that ain't the point and untrue as it would have been a max deal.

This

As the day has gone on I am starting to get more and more convinced this has all been a big ruse perpetrated by Lebron's inner circle to create a dramatic moment on live TV where he heroically decides to come back and save Cleveland at the last minute when all hope looked lost.

It is such a massive diva move that it is totally consistent with his normal behavior, and it makes for the best storyline for TV.

As a Cleveland fan, him going wouldn't hurt as much as Red-Right 88, the Drive, the Fumble, Jose fricken Mesa, the Shot etc...

Him coming back would be a huge story line...I think he knows this.

Its just ashame that even if he does come back, hes waited so damn long that all the other big names have signed elsewhere so the Cavs would be even more screwed trying to put a team around him this season and Im sure everyone around him has let him know that

IggyPride00;416291 wrote:As the day has gone on I am starting to get more and more convinced this has all been a big ruse perpetrated by Lebron's inner circle to create a dramatic moment on live TV where he heroically decides to come back and save Cleveland at the last minute when all hope looked lost.

It is such a massive diva move that it is totally consistent with his normal behavior, and it makes for the best storyline for TV.

I really hope that is the case because Cleveland hasn't gotten any better,maybe worse, and several other teams in the east have.

Skyhook79;416314 wrote:I really hope that is the case because Cleveland hasn't gotten any better,maybe worse, and several other teams in the east have.

Despite your general trolling of Cavs threads, I have to agree for the most part. I don't feel any team that employs LBJ can be considered "getting worse", but there is no question they could have gotten better. It really does appear as the balance of power has shifted considerably from the west to the east, but time will tell of course.

krazie45;416267 wrote:Wow, I can't believe how badly people misquoted me but seeing on who it was I'm not surprised.

I never said that LeBron will be inferior in talent to Wade. Another example is A-Rod and Jeter in NY. A-Rod is better but it's Jeter's team. Hell it's both figuratively and literally Wade's county.

LeBron goes to Miami, he is going to Wade's team. There is nothing you can say that can refute that. Wade won a ring there. Wade has been the face of the franchise the past seven years. It will ALWAYS be seen as LeBron joining up with Wade because HE couldn't bring people to Cleveland. Jpake, you can't look at 164 games and just call them an anomaly. The Cavs had just as good of a chance as the Lakers, Celtics, and Magic to win the title. They didn't get it done in a great part to the ineptitude of Mike Brown (who you conveniently ignore when talking about the Cavs) and in part to the circumstances that surrounded them going into the playoffs (trying to integrate Shaq back in). You can call them excuses since they don't fit your argument that's fine.

If LeBron leaves it's the hometown guy leaving his team that had the best record the past 2 seasons, that offered him more money than any other team, and was committed to spending ungodly amounts of money to winning a championship and keeping him and his boys happy. If he leaves he has NO ONE to blame but himself. He leaves because he wants to party it up in South Beach and be with guys that can (maybe) give him an easy title. He will still be viewed as a great player when it's all said and done but will NEVER be considered one of the greatest because he couldn't be the leader those other greats were. LeBron may be better, but the new Super-Heat is still and will always be Dwayne Wade's team.

The past two regular seasons showed they were a damn good team. Damn good teams don't win rings, great ones do. Sorry I never bought into the regular season like you guys did. Sorry I saw through your team, and got shit for it the past two years, to be proven right. Some people saw that team for what they were, others were hoping they were more than what they were. I've said team, jackass, the coaches are part of that team. The players and the coaches weren't good enough combined to be champions. LBJ will go down as one of the top 5 greatest players ever. Not everybody is a bitter fuck like you Cavs fans. He'll build his legacy with some rings. People can hate on his character like they did Kobe, but winning erases many of those thoughts.