devil1197 wrote: I didn't think that Utah team was that good last season imo. Personal opinion nothing against the other teams.

I can tell that it is just "personal opinion" That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a few weeks. Just because Utah doesn't play in the beloved Big 10 doesn't mean that they weren't a good team. THEY FINISHED #2 IN THE FREAKING COUNTRY Haha. Yeah they weren't that good last season

jordo212000 wrote:

devil1197 wrote: I didn't think that Utah team was that good last season imo. Personal opinion nothing against the other teams.

I can tell that it is just "personal opinion" That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a few weeks. Just because Utah doesn't play in the beloved Big 10 doesn't mean that they weren't a good team. THEY FINISHED #2 IN THE FREAKING COUNTRY Haha. Yeah they weren't that good last season

What the hell does the B10 have to do with it, oh wait because I am an OSU fan? Nice ignorant comment.

I think Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, USC all would beat Utah. They were good but not a great team.

The Big 10 gets dragged into it because the thread starter and his cheerleaders have been saying that the SEC plays a weak schedule and many have compared OSU's schedule. I lumped you in with those I guess. I am an OSU fan too. The fact is the Big 10 is so weak, and it has been for the past few years. I hate when other Big 10 fans come and shoot their mouths off about the SEC and the OOC Schedule. Who the F cares who they play in the regular season. The SEC does just fine when the games count

The SEC has had a good run lately, but if you look at it right now their conference is not as great this year imo. Yes, Florida and Bama are pretty damn good football teams but the SEC officials saved Florida a L and Bama is beatable imo. Then you have a drop off of what the strongest point to the SEC conference was. The middle of the pack SEC teams have been better than most conferences top teams lately. But LSU is not LSU good, Georgia is down, Ole Miss flopped this season and the rest of the SEC is average 6-7 win teams. The SEC has 3 ranked teams with Florida and Bama in the top 5 and LSU dropping out of the Top 10 after their loss tonight.

The SEC is very top heavy this year when they are usually very solid top to bottom.

devil1197 wrote:

The SEC is very top heavy this year when they are usually very solid top to bottom.

as is the Big 10. as is most other conferences in D1. The fact is, there are not very many good football teams. A few of the teams you mentioned as not being good in the SEC (Ole Miss, LSU) are 8-3.

Let's see what happens when Bowl season arrives. I'll gladly eat my crow if the Big 10 takes care of business and the SEC craps the bed. But recent history and recent performance suggests otherwise.

The strong point to the SEC was solid football teams in the mid level that you knew would beat outside conference opponents. When I look at a 8-3 LSU or Ole Miss team, they don't exactly have the feel that previous SEC teams have. LSU has been hit with injuries but for the most part they have been average at best this year (OOC games Washington, UL-Laf, Tulane, La Tech). Ole Miss OOC games (Memphis, Southern LA, UAB, Northern Arizona). Those two teams I mentioned as not being good have most of their wins against weak to terrible OOC opponents.

Half of the Big Ten is at .500 or below, whereas 3 of the 12 SEC teams are at .500 or below. I think the SEC still has a pretty strong conference top to bottom.

I could argue that the B10 has 5 teams with 8+ wins and 3 teams with 10+ wins which is more than the SEC but its a pointless.

This isn't an argument between the B10 and the SEC, as I know the B10 is weak. Just look at the SEC and tell me that they are at the same level as last season. I already pointed out that LSU and Ole Miss have 50% of their wins against weak OOC teams and are 8-3. Florida is 11-0 in their division, the closest team to them is 6-4.

devil1197 wrote: Florida is 11-0 in their division, the closest team to them is 6-4.

of course a lot of the teams in FLORIDA's division have very few victories. Florida has been beating all of them. (12-0)

devil1197 wrote: I could argue that the B10 has 5 teams with 8+ wins and 3 teams with 10+ wins which is more than the SEC but its a pointless.

This isn't an argument between the B10 and the SEC, as I know the B10 is weak. Just look at the SEC and tell me that they are at the same level as last season. I already pointed out that LSU and Ole Miss have 50% of their wins against weak OOC teams and are 8-3. Florida is 11-0 in their division, the closest team to them is 6-4.

Fact #1: The SEC is NOT at the same level it was the past 2 years.

Fact #2: The SEC is STILL the best conference in the nation.

Opinion portion: The SEC will still win a majority of their bowl games. This is also a testament to just HOW GOOD the conference was the past 2 years given that in a down year, it's still the best in the country.

I'm an SEC fan, but I think my above analysis is shared by SEC fans and non-SEC fans alike.

Azubuike24 wrote:
Fact #1: The SEC is NOT at the same level it was the past 2 years.

Fact #2: The SEC is STILL the best conference in the nation.

Opinion portion: The SEC will still win a majority of their bowl games. This is also a testament to just HOW GOOD the conference was the past 2 years given that in a down year, it's still the best in the country.

I'm an SEC fan, but I think my above analysis is shared by SEC fans and non-SEC fans alike.

it is shared here.

Azubuike24 wrote:

devil1197 wrote: I could argue that the B10 has 5 teams with 8+ wins and 3 teams with 10+ wins which is more than the SEC but its a pointless.

This isn't an argument between the B10 and the SEC, as I know the B10 is weak. Just look at the SEC and tell me that they are at the same level as last season. I already pointed out that LSU and Ole Miss have 50% of their wins against weak OOC teams and are 8-3. Florida is 11-0 in their division, the closest team to them is 6-4.

Fact #1: The SEC is NOT at the same level it was the past 2 years.

Fact #2: The SEC is STILL the best conference in the nation.

Opinion portion: The SEC will still win a majority of their bowl games. This is also a testament to just HOW GOOD the conference was the past 2 years given that in a down year, it's still the best in the country.

I'm an SEC fan, but I think my above analysis is shared by SEC fans and non-SEC fans alike.

+1

I agree that they are still the best conference but not by the large margin it has been. I can honestly see LSU and Ole Miss, the #3 and #4 SEC teams losing their Bowl games.

ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and the top SEC teams in bowl games will be matched up with the 4-5-6th best teams in their conferences again.

what? haha

ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and the top SEC teams in bowl games will be matched up with the 4-5-6th best teams in their conferences again.

Want me to throw some facts into the equation here? I will. This is what it will look like this year:

BCS Title Game: #1 vs #2
Sugar Bowl: SEC #2 vs At-Large
Capital One Bowl: SEC #3 vs Big 10 #2
Outback Bowl: SEC #4/5/6 vs Big 10 #3
Cotton Bowl: SEC #4/5/6 vs Big 12 #2
Chick-Fil-A Bowl: SEC #4/5/6 vs ACC #2
Music City Bowl: SEC #7/8/9 vs ACC #5
Independence Bowl: SEC #7/8/9 vs Big 12 #7
Liberty Bowl: SEC #7/8/9 vs C-USA #1
PapaJohns.Com Bowl: SEC #10 vs Big East #5

ccrunner609, EVERY SEC tie-in is against an equal or higher slotted opponent from the opposing conference. This year, the ONLY game that will likely be even is going to be the BCS title game.

Those are facts. You are proven wrong. Again. Good riddance.

Want me to lay it ALL out for you? I'd love to know what it's going to be. Two SEC teams will make a BCS bowl. 10 SEC teams will go bowling. That is what it's going to look like my friend. Every game they will be playing in bowl season will be against a team who finished HIGHER or EQUAL to the SEC team in their respective conference.

Az, Iowa and PSU are still in the hunt for a BCS at large berth if the boards select them. That is the only thing that looks wrong, because the Capital One would be SEC #3 vs B10 #3 and then the Outback would have the #4 B10 team. That's if Iowa or PSU get selected which is likely (mainly Iowa). I think Iowa will travel good and they may have been a lock if Stanzi doesn't go down against NW.

I do agree, Iowa could get a BCS bowl bid. However, if Pittsburgh were to beat Cincy, you would have to figure Cincy might be in that mix as well. Oklahoma State will probably be the first in line if they win the Bedlem game. For arguments sake, lets say it looks like this:

BCS Title: Florida (SEC Winner) vs Texas (Big 12 Winner)
Rose Bowl: Ohio State (Big 10 Winner) vs Oregon/Stanford (Pac 10 Winner)
Sugar Bowl: Alabama (At-Large) vs TCU (At-Large)
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech/Clemson (ACC Winner) vs Pittsburgh/Cincinnati (Big East Winner)
Fiesta Bowl: Boise State (At-Large) vs Oklahoma State (At-Large)

You have to figure if things go as they should, this is the likely scenario. That would keep all of the bowl slots in place. Right now, Oklahoma State likely controls it's destiny for a BCS bid. Iowa is probably next in line, but they also need Georgia Tech and Cincinnati to win their conference, because losses by either of those teams just clouds the final at-large spot even more.

BCS Title:
Florida Vs. Texas

Rose Bowl
Oregon Vs Ohio State

Sugar Bowl
Alabama vs Boise St

Orange Bowl
Georgia Tech vs Pittsburgh

Fiesta Bowl
Boise State vs Iowa

I still say Oklahoma State at 10-2 and losses to only Texas and Houston gets an at-large bid over Iowa.

karen lotz wrote: yeah you really don't want to start comparing schedules between SEC teams and OSU

Please list the teams the SEC teams have played OOC this season. The only team I can think of that has been ranked, was Virginia Tech. Nice try Karen.

Oh, and if you're going to make the claim that they play "such a tough conference schedule, so they don't need to play tough OOC teams", please go ahead and brag about Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi State...and of course, the underachiever of them all, Ole Miss. That's a brutal conference slate :rolleyes: The SEC this year is a two team conference, and LSU and Arkansas are decent. That's it. I'm tired of hearing how great the SEC is, when they've looked mediocre all year, and they pad their wins by scheduling DIVISION 1-AA schools and SUN BELT schools in the 10th game of the season. This isn't the opening game, or the second game of the season, where you're still trying to figure out the depth chart and get some young guys some time. This is a week where they aren't playing in conference, and instead of scheduling a couple of decent teams, they took the easiest possible route. But I'm sure they're still FAR AND AWAY the best conference in college football. Tebow had one of his best games of the season today, against FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL, but I'm sure they'll give him the heisman because of those impressive stats he put up, as I'm sure the media will twist it as the "tough, upset-minded Panthers". Give me a break.

A second Big Ten team will get a BCS bid, either Penn State (most likely) or Iowa. Oklahoma State would also probably get in. Boise State will not be in a BCS bowl unless TCU loses a game.

The Fiesta will have a pick to replace Texas, and will be awfully tempted to take Penn State or Iowa. Even if they stick with a Big XII team and take Oklahoma State, the Orange Bowl picks next, and they will not pass up Penn State to take a mid major team that is 2,500 miles away from Florida.

So your Capital One matchup is 3rd SEC vs. 3rd Big Ten, and your Outback matchup will be 4th SEC vs. 4th Big Ten.

I don't know if PSU gets it over Iowa. PSU was beat by Iowa and then basically stomped by OSU, all healthy. Iowa lost two games without their starting QB and would have probably beat at least NW.

I say Iowa gets in over Okie State.

devil1197 wrote: I don't know if PSU gets it over Iowa. PSU was beat by Iowa and then basically stomped by OSU, all healthy. Iowa lost two games without their starting QB and would have probably beat at least NW.

I say Iowa gets in over Okie State.

Who beat who or who is most deserving plays zero bearing on who gets a bid. It's 100% about ticket sales and TV ratings.

Well Iowa and PSU are very similar in terms of traveling I would assume. Nothing great but better than any mid major program in the country.