Can we say "Radical Islam" Eric ?

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May 21, 2010 10:52 AM
Eric Holder should step down from the position of United States Attorney General he is an embarrassment to America. He is not my Attorney General …another worthless Public Servant who is incompetent to be in that position.

If you watch is video and don't get pissed off ...




http://dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/video/eric-holder-refuses-to-say-radical-islam/
May 21, 2010 10:52am
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May 21, 2010 11:55 AM
LOL at the ad on top of this thread "The International Matrimonial Site"- Muslima.com.
May 21, 2010 11:55am
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May 21, 2010 11:59 AM
I have no problem calling the terrorists just "Radicals". I'd be much more comfrotable if we could keep all religious discussion out of politics. Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
May 21, 2010 11:59am
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May 21, 2010 12:05 PM
bigmanbt wrote: I have no problem calling the terrorists just "Radicals". I'd be much more comfrotable if we could keep all religious discussion out of politics. Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
But isn't that exactly what it is to those radicals and extremists mentioned?

We (somewhat normal people lol) may not like to call it that, but to the people involved, it is everything to them.
May 21, 2010 12:05pm
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May 21, 2010 12:11 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote:
bigmanbt wrote: I have no problem calling the terrorists just "Radicals". I'd be much more comfrotable if we could keep all religious discussion out of politics. Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
But isn't that exactly what it is to those radicals and extremists mentioned?

We (somewhat normal people lol) may not like to call it that, but to the people involved, it is everything to them.
Exactly.

Holder and his ilk will be busy dithering about trying to figure out what to call these creeps so we don't offend them (God forbid) -- and in the meantime, they'll be busy figuring out more efficient ways to kill us.
May 21, 2010 12:11pm
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May 21, 2010 12:14 PM
I guess I just don't like other religions thinking that America is a Christian nation. Yes, most of our people may be Christian, but we officially have NO state religion. Is it a big deal right now, probably not, but I would rather history not portray this as a religious war from our side.

Edit: if you can't tell, i'm not for the War in the first place.
May 21, 2010 12:14pm
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May 21, 2010 12:26 PM
bigmanbt wrote: I have no problem calling the terrorists just "Radicals". I'd be much more comfrotable if we could keep all religious discussion out of politics. Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
Disagree. Sorry, but the people trying to kill all of us are not "radical Buddhists" or "radical Christians" or "radical atheists". And it is a religious war for them- they don't care what we call them. That video of Holder squirming and twisting and doing everything in his power to not say "Islam" in any way shape or form was painful to watch. I almost felt bad for the guy because he was making himself look like a complete clown.
Props to Lamar Smith for grilling him like that.
bigmanbt wrote: I guess I just don't like other religions thinking that America is a Christian nation. Yes, most of our people may be Christian, but we officially have NO state religion. Is it a big deal right now, probably not, but I would rather history not portray this as a religious war from our side.

Edit: if you can't tell, if not for the War in the first place.
They don't care if we're "Christian" or not.

The bottom line for them is we're:

A) Non-Muslim
B) Westerners
C) Pro-Israel (for now)
May 21, 2010 12:26pm
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May 21, 2010 12:32 PM
I just think you add an element of discrimination against Islam following people by doing so. The radicals don't believe in Islam, they believe some radical form that should not be called Islam anymore and has many variances from true Islam. There is nothing wrong with just calling them Radicals and leaving it at that. To us, America, what does it matter if they are Radical Islam or Radical Judiasm, all that matters is that they are radicals.
May 21, 2010 12:32pm
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May 21, 2010 1:01 PM
It would go a long way to helping our cause if we weren't so far up Israels ass that we can't see straight.
May 21, 2010 1:01pm
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May 21, 2010 1:26 PM
bigmanbt wrote: I just think you add an element of discrimination against Islam following people by doing so. The radicals don't believe in Islam, they believe some radical form that should not be called Islam anymore and has many variances from true Islam. There is nothing wrong with just calling them Radicals and leaving it at that. To us, America, what does it matter if they are Radical Islam or Radical Judiasm, all that matters is that they are radicals.
I agree with this. It would be similiar to people who target/kill abortion clinics/doctors in the name of Christianity. Those people do not believe in Christianity, so should we label them Radical Christians?
May 21, 2010 1:26pm
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May 21, 2010 1:43 PM
^^^ Yes. or radical anti abortionists... or radical radicals...
May 21, 2010 1:43pm
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May 21, 2010 3:23 PM


I say we go with Rad Islam or Rad Christianity from now on
May 21, 2010 3:23pm
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May 21, 2010 3:36 PM
^^
I'll go one better than that.



Totally Rad Islam and Totally Rad Christianity is the way to go.
May 21, 2010 3:36pm
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May 21, 2010 3:57 PM
cbus4life wrote: It would go a long way to helping our cause if we weren't so far up Israels ass that we can't see straight.
I'm assuming this was a joke.

When did Israel threaten the U.S. in any manner?

Again, I'm assuming this was a joke.
May 21, 2010 3:57pm
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May 21, 2010 4:23 PM
bigmanbt wrote: I just think you add an element of discrimination against Islam following people by doing so. The radicals don't believe in Islam, they believe some radical form that should not be called Islam anymore and has many variances from true Islam. There is nothing wrong with just calling them Radicals and leaving it at that. To us, America, what does it matter if they are Radical Islam or Radical Judiasm, all that matters is that they are radicals.
If Islam hadn't gained its introduction into the world through violence, and if they hadn't had over 1300 years of spreading their religion through violence, then I could agree that today's radicals aren't true Muslims.
Therein lies the debate- it seems radical Muslims are being more true to the Koran and Islamic teaching, while "peaceful" Muslims are not.

Either way, Eric Holder's performance was embarassing.
May 21, 2010 4:23pm
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May 21, 2010 4:33 PM
pmoney25 wrote:
bigmanbt wrote: I just think you add an element of discrimination against Islam following people by doing so. The radicals don't believe in Islam, they believe some radical form that should not be called Islam anymore and has many variances from true Islam. There is nothing wrong with just calling them Radicals and leaving it at that. To us, America, what does it matter if they are Radical Islam or Radical Judiasm, all that matters is that they are radicals.
I agree with this. It would be similiar to people who target/kill abortion clinics/doctors in the name of Christianity. Those people do not believe in Christianity, so should we label them Radical Christians?

Yes. Along with 'nutcases"
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May 21, 2010 4:33pm
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May 21, 2010 5:56 PM
bigmanbt wrote:Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
The radicals themselves call it JIHAD. To these Islamic extremists it is, in fact, holy war.

Be very, very careful when applying Western-style cause and effect secularism to the kind of ingrained religious mindset that exhorts and teaches its membership that the infidel must convert...or die.

Are all Muslims extremists? No. Does radical Islam exist? It absolutely does.
pmoney25 wrote:It would be similiar to people who target/kill abortion clinics/doctors in the name of Christianity. Those people do not believe in Christianity, so should we label them Radical Christians?
As an evangelical Christian my answer would be yes.
May 21, 2010 5:56pm
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May 21, 2010 7:23 PM
JMy only issue with that is killing/blowing up buildings is not Christian at all regardless if they claim to do it for God. So I would just label them ignorant, crazy, misguided etc....I would not call them Christians. At least not Christians I've ever seen.
May 21, 2010 7:23pm
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May 21, 2010 9:04 PM
bigmanbt wrote: I just think you add an element of discrimination against Islam following people by doing so. The radicals don't believe in Islam, they believe some radical form that should not be called Islam anymore and has many variances from true Islam. There is nothing wrong with just calling them Radicals and leaving it at that. To us, America, what does it matter if they are Radical Islam or Radical Judiasm, all that matters is that they are radicals.
This.


Yes, it is there radical form of Islam, but in terms of not pissing off more Muslims, we just need to drop it.

The costs outweigh the benefits.
Radicals, terrorists, evil doers, bastards, etc will work.

Also, they are not Muslims, which Holder was saying. Giving their teachings and interpretations credit by claiming they are Islamic is the wrong way to go at it.

Islam has been hijacked by these jackasses, but we shouldn't give them credibility by claiming they are Islamic. They are not, plain and simple.
So, I see nothing with this statement. I wish he would have stated it better though.
May 21, 2010 9:04pm
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May 21, 2010 9:07 PM
ccrunner609 wrote:
jhay78 wrote:
bigmanbt wrote: I have no problem calling the terrorists just "Radicals". I'd be much more comfrotable if we could keep all religious discussion out of politics. Labeling it radical islam makes it seem like this is a religious war (which I think most people treat it as) between christianity and islam, and that's the last thing we want.
Disagree. Sorry, but the people trying to kill all of us are not "radical Buddhists" or "radical Christians" or "radical atheists". And it is a religious war for them- they don't care what we call them. That video of Holder squirming and twisting and doing everything in his power to not say "Islam" in any way shape or form was painful to watch. I almost felt bad for the guy because he was making himself look like a complete clown.
Props to Lamar Smith for grilling him like that.
bigmanbt wrote: I guess I just don't like other religions thinking that America is a Christian nation. Yes, most of our people may be Christian, but we officially have NO state religion. Is it a big deal right now, probably not, but I would rather history not portray this as a religious war from our side.

Edit: if you can't tell, if not for the War in the first place.
They don't care if we're "Christian" or not.

The bottom line for them is we're:

A) Non-Muslim
B) Westerners
C) Pro-Israel (for now)
This.................how can you not interpret this as anything but a religous war? At least on their part. They are engaging in a "HOLY WAR".

To think of it any differently is moronic and will lead to them eventually winning way more then what they should.
So, are we engaged in a Holy War as well? And where does the war stop? Wahhabism? The whole state of Saudi Arabia? What are the boundaries of a war? How do we determine who is a radical Islamic and who determines it? Do we know consider ourselves religious experts and saw well if you believe in Wahhabism and threaten the U.S., you are a radical Islamic and a threat to us? How do you not let the debate escape and suddenly the whole missile east thinks the crusades are coming back?
May 21, 2010 9:07pm
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May 21, 2010 9:08 PM
One more thing, you do not hear Israel saying they are at war with radical Islam, instead it is they are at war against terrorist groups and downplay the religious element.
May 21, 2010 9:08pm
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May 22, 2010 12:39 AM
When will the real leaders of Islam weigh in and condemn, continuously, the radical violence of their fellow members of the 'religion of peace' ............. the world is waiting.
May 22, 2010 12:39am