He's not a racist. Or at least if he is it isn't because of this. (Not saying that he is, it's just if he happened to be it would have nothing to do with this).

I don't particularly agree with him on the subject but whatever. Not a racist.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: " If a business owner elects to ban certain ethnic groups, certain sexual identity people, Amish people, handicapped people, rich people, ugly people, skinny people, fat people...and so on, then their place of business will not stay open for very long. It's that simple."

2 things,

1) Much of the interview had nothing to do with "banning", but rather accomodation. There are plenty of businesses that offer services to people of specific persuasions, it isn't that they are "banning" people but rather don't offer services that many other people find useful. My thoughts go back to the eHarmony lawsuit thread that was here a few months ago, which IMO was an inglorious debacle (the lawsuit, not the thread).

2) CenterBHSFan is 100% correct, Maddow came off looking like a dullard trying to get Paul to admit to something that she projected into his opinion. I mean Sweet Santa Clause shit, Maddow can go to a Curves gym or join the Junior League, I can't do either of those. I'm not griping about it.

I also watched the interview....and it was clear...Maddow wanted Paul to state that is was OK for business owners to ban black people from their place of business.

And whereby Paul inherently agrees with this bullet point, he sidestepped the "trap" of admitting such by rightfully explaining the overall view of his constitutional line of thinking.

Paul has a political overview and rationale in coming to certain conclusions. He articulated this overview to Maddow time and time and time and time again. She did not want to hear it.

Footwedge wrote: Let me rephrase then. The republican base in Kentucky have overwhelmingly selected a candidate that have many views far different than those of the main stream Republicans across the country.

This election has brought to the forefront that many Republicans are seeing the light, and have switched their views on many traditional GOP views that are hypocritical in fundamentals.

Just because your own political views do not allign with those of libertarians, it doesn't change the fact that the GOP is in fact drawing to the overall message presented by the LP.

And it's great to see.

This also describes their current selection of Jim Bunning, which is what makes the Paul selection very unsurprising (basically, Paul doesn't need the Tea Party to win down there). Sure, Bunning isn't a libertarian, but by no means was his thought process close to many in the senate.

Kentuckians just like their crazy asshole senators

(and to answer the question of the thread, no, he's not a racist)

zhon44622 wrote: I dont believe that he is a racist, but he is certainly pandering to them. Its politics, and its Kentucky for gods sake.

1. How is he pandering to racists? He made very valid points and questions. That's not racism - that's thinking about more than one viewpoint.

2. What does Kentucky, in and of itself, have to do with racism? Ever been to Boston?
BTW, that ^^^ is a joke. Even though the good folks of Boston might suprise some people, I make jokes all the time about places like West Virginia, Arkansas, etc.

I have no idea if he is a racist. But it matters little as he is unelectable in Ky. The state has almost a 2-1 edge for Ds in registration over Rs and Paul will bury himself as an undisciplined and out of control politican proposing his issues to eliminate S.S., Medicare , FDA, Dept of Agriculture ( in a tobacco state) and abolish the voting rights act, among others. Libertarian will not sell in KY and the D will wipe the floor with him. But it should be fun to watch,

I find it amusing that he wants to represent one of the largest welfare per capita states as a Libertarian

Kentucky freebies

Thread Bomber wrote: I find it amusing that he wants to represent one of the largest welfare per capita states as a Libertarian.

Explains why the state is so heavily D right Paladin?

" Ever been to Boston?"

LOL, shouldn't be a joke, Boston is without a doubt the most racist city I've ever visited and spent any considerable time (my wife went to Andover HS)....it is politically liberal, but socially extremely anti-diversity. How many minorities does anyone think go to the Kennedys' parties?

After watchin the video, Rand Paul gives well thought-out points in this debate that Maddow (and most Progressives) doesn't understand. He's saying in a nutshell, that private property is guaranteed in the Constitution, and when the government usurps their power and tells private entities what they can and can't do on their proprerty, it's a slippery-slope. What next will they attack and take over? It's abhorrent to not allow customers, regardless of race, gender, religion etc., but it's also abhorrent to hear racists talk and demonstrate. Should we also take away an individuals right to free speech because it's abhorrent speech? When you allow the government to overstep it's boundaries, the government will continue to overstep it's boundaries.

Many progressives cannot see this side of the argument nor do I think they want to see this argument. They want the world to be rainbows and sunshine and they play on emotional arguments instead of intellectual arguments to win support. Stop being fooled by this tactic and you'll see that nearly everything this federal government has done over the past 100 or so years has little to no intellectual or factual support anymore, instead relying on feelings to compel others to their views.

Paladin wrote: I have no idea if he is a racist. But it matters little as he is unelectable in Ky. The state has almost a 2-1 edge for Ds in registration over Rs and Paul will bury himself as an undisciplined and out of control politican proposing his issues to eliminate S.S., Medicare , FDA, Dept of Agriculture ( in a tobacco state) and abolish the voting rights act, among others. Libertarian will not sell in KY and the D will wipe the floor with him. But it should be fun to watch,

He's up 25 points over the D in today's first head to head poll. :rolleyes:

fish82 wrote:

Paladin wrote: I have no idea if he is a racist. But it matters little as he is unelectable in Ky. The state has almost a 2-1 edge for Ds in registration over Rs and Paul will bury himself as an undisciplined and out of control politican proposing his issues to eliminate S.S., Medicare , FDA, Dept of Agriculture ( in a tobacco state) and abolish the voting rights act, among others. Libertarian will not sell in KY and the D will wipe the floor with him. But it should be fun to watch,

He's up 25 points over the D in today's first head to head poll. :rolleyes:

Ya got a link, Fishy? It's been a long day...new job and all...too lazy to look it up.

Footwedge wrote:

fish82 wrote:

Paladin wrote: I have no idea if he is a racist. But it matters little as he is unelectable in Ky. The state has almost a 2-1 edge for Ds in registration over Rs and Paul will bury himself as an undisciplined and out of control politican proposing his issues to eliminate S.S., Medicare , FDA, Dept of Agriculture ( in a tobacco state) and abolish the voting rights act, among others. Libertarian will not sell in KY and the D will wipe the floor with him. But it should be fun to watch,

He's up 25 points over the D in today's first head to head poll. :rolleyes:

Ya got a link, Fishy? It's been a long day...new job and all...too lazy to look it up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_kentucky_senate_race.html

I think private business should be able to allow or disallow whoever they want into their place of business. If someone doesn't want me in their store that is fine, I will go elsewhere.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100520/pl_ynews/ynews_pl2167
Polls ?? Watch as the candidate self implodes in this race. The 'poll' in Nov is the one that counts and he'll be on a long downhill slide all the way. Unelectable !

C'mon Paladin... I classify myself as moderate to liberal and even I know this is Paul's race to lose.

Kentucky has voted in the 2nd to 3rd most conservative senator (Bunning) over and over.

Paul, the Libertarian, appeals more to Conservative interests (and will have about as many people behind him in the Senate as Bunning did).

As I said before, Kentucky will just replace a crazy conservative asshole with a crazy libertarian asshole. They will keep that seat on the lunatic fringe without help of anyone.

believer wrote:

Thread Bomber wrote: I find it amusing that he wants to represent one of the largest welfare per capita states as a Libertarian.

Explains why the state is so heavily D right Paladin?

Take a close look at per capita welfare states and how they tend to vote then try and make your case.......

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/11/welfare-states/

now compare those maps to Bushs electoral winnings.......

Mr. Paul violated the first rule of politics. Never say what you really believe.

zhon44622 wrote:

believer wrote:

Thread Bomber wrote: I find it amusing that he wants to represent one of the largest welfare per capita states as a Libertarian.

Explains why the state is so heavily D right Paladin?

Take a close look at per capita welfare states and how they tend to vote then try and make your case.......

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/11/welfare-states/

Yes another misnomer that is debunked. Good link.

Our Far Right "friends" just can't help themselves. Yell & scream about Federal spending while holding their hands out. The case against Paul is just getting warmed up. He faces a steep slippery slope. Watch the GOP run away from him as quick as they can.

Paladin,

I don't understand. What is the "case" against him?

Is it to accuse him of thinking about all possibly criteria of a situation?

Paul as a Libertarian believes that the Feds have no role in ANY dealings with business. The "market" will "correct" any problems. Thus , the Civil Rights Act is just the opening act. Wait till he is pressed on other issues as he wants to ( and has said) that the FDA should go ( safe food & drugs), Dept of agriculture ( in a tobacco state), eliminate laws for coal mine companies ( wait till the miners in E. Ky. hear this one), etc. His ideology will kill him with large groups of people. And the Lousiville Courier has its transcripts of their interview of him for the primary. He failed miserably and as they noted, he is far outside the mainstream of politics, even for Ky. and people will find his extremists views appalling. He was NOT endorsed in the GOP race nor will he be in the general election. And there is an extensive record with the radio "flake" Alex Jones , in which the record will soon be exposed. All politics are local and Paul is stepping on many toes.

ts1227 wrote: C'mon Paladin... I classify myself as moderate to liberal and even I know this is Paul's race to lose.

Kentucky has voted in the 2nd to 3rd most conservative senator (Bunning) over and over.

Paul, the Libertarian, appeals more to Conservative interests (and will have about as many people behind him in the Senate as Bunning did).

As I said before, Kentucky will just replace a crazy conservative asshole with a crazy libertarian asshole. They will keep that seat on the lunatic fringe without help of anyone.

Rand Paul is the furthest thing from an asshole, and he certainly isn't crazy.

Neither is libertarianism. And as a libertarian myself, I am willing to debate any topic with you. Libertarians are some of the most well-read and well educated people around, and we actually believe the principles we were founded on, unlike dems and repubs today.

Paladin wrote: Paul as a Libertarian believes that the Feds have no role in ANY dealings with business. The "market" will "correct" any problems. Thus , the Civil Rights Act is just the opening act. Wait till he is pressed on other issues as he wants to ( and has said) that the FDA should go ( safe food & drugs), Dept of agriculture ( in a tobacco state), eliminate laws for coal mine companies ( wait till the miners in E. Ky. hear this one), etc. His ideology will kill him with large groups of people. And the Lousiville Courier has its transcripts of their interview of him for the primary. He failed miserably and as they noted, he is far outside the mainstream of politics, even for Ky. and people will find his extremists views appalling. He was NOT endorsed in the GOP race nor will he be in the general election. And there is an extensive record with the radio "flake" Alex Jones , in which the record will soon be exposed. All politics are local and Paul is stepping on many toes.

HAHAHA, a keynesian. You're second sentence let me know just how much I should actually listen to your opinion. Next.

Here's your boy Rand. Good Luck

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/21/rand-paul-obama-sounds-un_n_584661.html