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May 18, 2010 1:40 PM
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thedynasty1998 wrote: But Dwight Howard, Garnett and the Lakers bigs loved the current lineup.
With inside information like this, no wonder he thinks we're all stupid...
Good post. Whose eyes wouldn't light up when you have Jamison or Varejao, or even Shaq guarding them?
May 18, 2010 1:40pm
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May 18, 2010 1:48 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: But Dwight Howard, Garnett and the Lakers bigs loved the current lineup.
With inside information like this, no wonder he thinks we're all stupid...
Good post. Whose eyes wouldn't light up when you have Jamison or Varejao, or even Shaq guarding them?
Varejao is a much better defender than Stoudemire.
May 18, 2010 1:48pm
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May 18, 2010 1:49 PM
^^^

Yea I don't think so
May 18, 2010 1:49pm
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May 18, 2010 1:49 PM
LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable.
May 18, 2010 1:49pm
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May 18, 2010 1:52 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable.
It is debatable. I think Varejao is a poor on the ball defender, however he plays hard and has good positioning which leads people to believe he's a good defender.

Amare is a better on the ball defender, a better shot blocker and a better rebounder.

Plus, the NBA is about scoring the ball. You have limited value when you are as inept offensively as Varejao and are undersized defensively.
May 18, 2010 1:52pm
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May 18, 2010 1:53 PM
Blah, blah, blah.
May 18, 2010 1:53pm
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May 18, 2010 1:56 PM
gibby08 wrote: ^^^

Yea I don't think so
Yeah, there you go getting yourself into trouble attempting to think again...nice input.

Jamison was not terrible defending Garnett, he scored well, but Jamison was right in his face. He shot very well, it happens. He got beat not sticking with his man on several occasions, but Jamison was far from a huge liability on defense. He wasn't lockdown, but he wasn't a swinging gate either like some of you goofs make him out to be.
May 18, 2010 1:56pm
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May 18, 2010 2:03 PM
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gibby08 wrote: ^^^

Yea I don't think so
Yeah, there you go getting yourself into trouble attempting to think again...nice input.

Jamison was not terrible defending Garnett, he scored well, but Jamison was right in his face. He shot very well, it happens. He got beat not sticking with his man on several occasions, but Jamison was far from a huge liability on defense. He wasn't lockdown, but he wasn't a swinging gate either like some of you goofs make him out to be.
I agree with this. I think Jamison plays really hard, however he just gives up too much size to someone like Garnett. Not much you can do other than fight position when you are guarding a guy that can turn around and shoot over you every single time.

It was similar to Boozer guarding Gasol. I thought Boozer defended him as well as he could, however, effort can't overcome the size gap. Gasol was able to do whatever he wanted.

That is also one of the reasons why I would argue that Stoudamire is as about as good as Varejao defensively. Varegao runs into the same problem, especially when he's playing the 5. He plays harder than anyone, but you can't overcome the physical disadvantage that he's giving up.
May 18, 2010 2:03pm
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May 18, 2010 2:04 PM
Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...
May 18, 2010 2:04pm
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May 18, 2010 2:08 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.
May 18, 2010 2:08pm
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May 18, 2010 2:12 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable.
It is debatable. I think Varejao is a poor on the ball defender, however he plays hard and has good positioning which leads people to believe he's a good defender.

Amare is a better on the ball defender, a better shot blocker and a better rebounder.

Plus, the NBA is about scoring the ball. You have limited value when you are as inept offensively as Varejao and are undersized defensively.
A'mare: 1 bpg
Varejao: .9 bpg

A'mare: 8.9 reb
Varejao: 7.6 reb

A'mare: 34 mpg
Varejao: 28 mpg

I would say blocks and rebounds are a wash, if not in Andy's favor. There's absolutely no way Stoudemire is better on the ball than Andy.

Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
May 18, 2010 2:12pm
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May 18, 2010 2:29 PM
se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.
May 18, 2010 2:29pm
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May 18, 2010 2:31 PM
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SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.
Well, after a single game people decide that LeBron isn't the best player in the world--after the argument died during the season. So it's no surprise that people would forget how good Garnett is when he struggles all year with an injury. Thank the media for these clowns not being able to think for themselves..
May 18, 2010 2:31pm
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May 18, 2010 2:48 PM
You are such a jackass. See your post regarding the Celtics and namely what YOU SAID ABOUT GARNETT
SQ_Crazies wrote: Garnett is a shell of his former self. Andy gives them FITS
May 18, 2010 2:48pm
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May 18, 2010 2:50 PM
Hahaha, no shit. I said that when it looked as if his legs were going to fall off. He was healthier during the series than he was all year and Andy was having back issues. Timing wasn't on our side.
May 18, 2010 2:50pm
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May 18, 2010 2:50 PM
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se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....
May 18, 2010 2:50pm
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May 18, 2010 2:51 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....
Statements like this one are the reason why no one takes you seriously anymore and I don't even bother arguing with you because I have zero respect for your opinion at this point.
May 18, 2010 2:51pm
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May 18, 2010 2:51 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....
Finally, we agree!
May 18, 2010 2:51pm
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May 18, 2010 3:02 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....
Statements like this one are the reason why no one takes you seriously anymore and I don't even bother arguing with you because I have zero respect for your opinion at this point.
As if anyone takes you seriously.

The Cavs lost by 18, 10, 32 and 9. They were lucky to win game 1. To say a healthy Varejao makes a difference in that series is a little ridiculous. Boston was the better team, regardless of Varejao's injury.

The guy averaged 6 ppg and 6 rpg against Boston, and averaged 9 ppg and 8 rpg in the regular season. Yea, those 3 points and 2 rebounds were obviously the difference in the series.
May 18, 2010 3:02pm
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May 18, 2010 3:04 PM
Hey chief, ever think of looking what he did, oh I don't know, say maybe against Boston?

...and if you don't think he played any better against the C's than most, then SQ's spot on in his assessment of your opinions.
May 18, 2010 3:04pm
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May 18, 2010 3:12 PM
ytownfootball wrote: Hey chief, ever think of looking what he did, oh I don't know, say maybe against Boston?

...and if you don't think he played any better against the C's than most, then SQ's spot on in his assessment of your opinions.
I haven't looked up his stats, but I'm assuming he played well against Boston since you bring it up?

But that's my whole point about Varejao. He plays harder than anyone else, and that's what can make someone like him successful in the regular season. I give him credit for his effort, because he always brings it. But in the playoffs, you have to be able to elevate your game, but Varejao is maxed out because all he can do is play hard.

It's different playing against a KG in the regular season compared to a KG in the playoffs.

I'll admit that Varejao's injury probably slowed him down a little, but to think a role player being injured makes the difference is a stretch. If you wanted to argue Lebron's elbow that's one thing, but a role player's injury slowing him down is different.
May 18, 2010 3:12pm
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May 18, 2010 3:16 PM
SMH...that makes no sense whatsoever.
If you wanted to argue Lebron's elbow that's one thing, but a role player's injury slowing him down is different.
May 18, 2010 3:16pm
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May 18, 2010 3:20 PM
Edit: I didn't mean slowing him down, I meant making the difference in a series.
May 18, 2010 3:20pm
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May 18, 2010 4:31 PM
All I saw was someone saying Stoudemire was a good defender and a spit my drink all over my computer in laughter.
May 18, 2010 4:31pm
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May 18, 2010 6:23 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote:
ytownfootball wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.
Well, after a single game people decide that LeBron isn't the best player in the world--after the argument died during the season. So it's no surprise that people would forget how good Garnett is when he struggles all year with an injury. Thank the media for these clowns not being able to think for themselves..
It wasn't a "single" game for me that decided it, it has been the entire Playoffs.
May 18, 2010 6:23pm