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HeathAlum21

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Nov 19, 2009 10:14 PM
Lincecum wins his 2nd Cy Young at just 25 years old. How many more do you think he will win? Many point to his mechanics and think they could cause arm problems down the road.

I will put the over/under at four. What do you think?
Nov 19, 2009 10:14pm
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wes_mantooth

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Nov 19, 2009 10:34 PM
Who knows.....but he is a beast. In a couple of years, he will probably be a Yankee.
Nov 19, 2009 10:34pm
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Nov 19, 2009 10:58 PM
The real question will be: Should he pawn the trophy off for weed? :P

I kid...
Nov 19, 2009 10:58pm
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Elliot Stabler

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Nov 19, 2009 11:30 PM
He shouldn't have won in the first place this year
Nov 19, 2009 11:30pm
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HeathAlum21

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Nov 19, 2009 11:37 PM
Elliot Stabler wrote: He shouldn't have won in the first place this year
Disagree. I had him first by a considerable margin.
Nov 19, 2009 11:37pm
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Elliot Stabler

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Nov 19, 2009 11:41 PM
Then you would be wrong:

Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05

Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01

Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21

Should have been Wainwright
Nov 19, 2009 11:41pm
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Nov 19, 2009 11:48 PM
Lincecum is solid
his mechanics are firm...
(if there is a little hint of the "chronic")
still the best pitcher in the National League.


I was going for a haiku there...did i make it?
Nov 19, 2009 11:48pm
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Nov 20, 2009 2:50 AM
Elliot Stabler wrote: Then you would be wrong:

Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05

Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01

Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21

Should have been Wainwright
Based on those stats, I'd give it to Carpenter...
Nov 20, 2009 2:50am
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HeathAlum21

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Nov 20, 2009 10:58 AM
Carpenter and Wainwright both had outstanding D behind them. Take that away, and both of thier numbers inflate rapidly. Look at Wainwright's WHIP EVEN WITH the Cards D. Carpenter pitched 30 less innings than the other two, so that has to be taken into consideration. Lincecum should have won and he did.
Nov 20, 2009 10:58am
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Nate

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Nov 20, 2009 10:59 AM
Giants < Cardinals.

That's a big difference between 15 wins and 17/19.
Nov 20, 2009 10:59am
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Nov 20, 2009 11:02 AM
Yeah, Lincecum was the right choice. Carpenter would've been fine as well.

Wainwright was the least deserving. Wins are an overrated pitching statistic.
Nov 20, 2009 11:02am
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Nate

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Nov 20, 2009 11:14 AM
If Lincecum and Grineke were on different teams, their wins totals both would have been over 20.
Nov 20, 2009 11:14am
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Nov 20, 2009 12:05 PM
Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done
Nov 20, 2009 12:05pm
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Nov 20, 2009 5:14 PM
I wanted Wainright. I thought Carpenter deserved it. Am fine with Lincecum, even though I'm a die hard Cardinals fan. The race was too close between those three to think any one would have been wrong.
Nov 20, 2009 5:14pm
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Nov 20, 2009 6:03 PM
Elliot Stabler wrote: Then you would be wrong:

Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05

Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01

Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21

Should have been Wainwright
Lol so you post those stats, meaning your basing the winner only on stats, and then don't choose the guy with the best stats of the group?

FAIL
Nov 20, 2009 6:03pm
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tiger1990

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Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM
Cliff Lee was unhittable...too bad he didn't have enough time in with the Phils or this award was his
Nov 20, 2009 8:34pm
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Footwedge

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Nov 21, 2009 2:27 AM
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done

Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.

Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
Nov 21, 2009 2:27am
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Footwedge

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Nov 21, 2009 2:29 AM
I think Lincecum was the right choice. And they got it right with Greinke. Cy Young is for the best pitcher....not the best pitcher on a winning team.
Nov 21, 2009 2:29am
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Mr. 300

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Nov 21, 2009 7:34 AM
The Tribe could have had him. Wow, we'd have had a third CY winner traded off if we played our cards right.
Nov 21, 2009 7:34am
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salto

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Nov 21, 2009 11:12 AM
darbypitcher22 wrote: ...The Cards had a rediculous offense...
Ridiculous is right. If they had scored the runs they should have they would have had three pitchers with 20+ wins, home field and gone deeper in the playoffs. They potentially had a great offense. Potential doesn't put runs on the board though.
Nov 21, 2009 11:12am
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HeathAlum21

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Nov 21, 2009 11:50 AM
Footwedge wrote:
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done

Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.

Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
The reason I brought up his mechanics initially is longitivity. Many think that his violent throwing motion will lead to arm problems down the road, which would affect how many Cy Young Awards he would win (The initial question, though no one seemed to like it). I certainly hope his mechanics don't cause problems down the road, because right now he is the most enjoyable pitcher in the MLB to watch.
Nov 21, 2009 11:50am
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Footwedge

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Nov 22, 2009 2:37 AM
HeathAlum21 wrote:
Footwedge wrote:
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done

Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.

Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
The reason I brought up his mechanics initially is longitivity. Many think that his violent throwing motion will lead to arm problems down the road, which would affect how many Cy Young Awards he would win (The initial question, though no one seemed to like it). I certainly hope his mechanics don't cause problems down the road, because right now he is the most enjoyable pitcher in the MLB to watch.
I understand your point. I just don't happen to agree that his motion will lead to a higher propensity for arm problems.

Kerry Wood has pretty good form. So does Jake Westbrook. Nobody can predict who will go down and who won't.

When I pitched, I cleared my head to the left and came in over the top at high noon. Way back then, the "experts" taught us that 3/4 or sidearm was a nn-no. I blew out my rotator cuff in high school. :)
Nov 22, 2009 2:37am