I Wear Pants wrote: Those ships were also built by large teams of skilled ship makers with more advanced tools and many hundreds of years more scientific knowledge.

Noah doesn't exactly have those qualifications.

But he has the "will of God".

BCSbunk constantly showing he knows nothing about the Bible, nothing about sea worthy vessels and nothing about evolution and real world testable, observable science.

Trying to get back on subject: Creation scientists have been saying for years that the ark was probably destroyed long ago. The survivors of the flood would have torn it apart to build houses, use it for fuel etc. while the earth settled, and while the earth suffered some minor aftershocks. There would be little, if any, of it left.

Those mocking the Bible's timelines use their own giant assumptions about time to try to refute the Bible. Hypocrites. The 'science by consensus' crowd. Using circular reasoning to determine ages. Of course, from the outset, evolution is assumed to be true, then the 'facts' are made to fit the assumption. And you mock the Bible? lol.

Mt. St. Helens explosion in May of 1980 proved layers of strata, formerly 'interpreted' to have taken millions of years to form, only need hours, days and weeks, to be laid down.

A diamond can be made in less than an hour with the right combination of heat and pressure. It's been done in the lab. It's not a matter of time, but conditions.

The 'fountains of the deep' exploded with tremendous force, shooting water and rocks clear out of the atmosphere.

Just as an aside and off-topic: a careful reading of the Bible would suggest the entire universe was originally made out of water. Read up on some Dr. Russell Humphreys for more info on that.

population statistics study showing less than 10,000 years needed to reach a human population of 6.5 billion people.
http://www.everlastinglifeministries.com/genesis/worldpop.asp

Noah's flood and the gilgamesh epic:
http://creation.com/noahs-flood-and-the-gilgamesh-epic

There's evidence of a world-wide flood all over the earth. The vast majority of fossils found were creatures that were buried quickly and compacted. Almost 70% of them were found in with sedimentary rock (rock formed by the influence of water). Many more found in igneous rock (volvanoes).

A fish dying on a beach doesn't become a fossil. It gets eaten away by bacteria, scavengers, etc.

I remember watching a program on Discovery channel some years ago where a man took a picture of the sphynx and covered up its top and bottom and only showed the middle section to a Harvard expert and asked him what had caused the weathering. The Harvard scientist only looked at it for a moment and said 'water, of course.' Then the rest of the sphynx was unmasked showing what it was. The Harvard expert only said "oh."

Take another look at the Grand Canyon sometime and imagine what the after effects of a massive flood would look like.

And by the way, the Hebrews had one word for 'circle' - the mockers take scripture out of context to try to discredit it.

Even today, in describing a day, we often say 'sunrise' or 'sundown' when we all know what it really means.

Christ said something to the effect that "why should I tell you about other things" when you have trouble believing what I have already told you. Peter said in the last days 'mockers' would come, saying "where is the evidence" of Christ's return, for since the fathers fell asleep the earth remains as it always has. Peter replied, so it was in the days of Noah . . .

People misinterpret what is meant by 'a thousand years with God is but a day'. In context what it really is saying is, what would seem to take a thousand years, God can do in one day.

BCSbunk wrote:

That is a lie. Please list your verses and I will list mine.

The bible calls for a flat earth model.

The bible says there are corners and ends of the earth referring to a flat earth.

We are talking about bronze age people here who knew nothing of science.

That is why they make statements like this.

Ancient Israel imagined the earth to be a flat disk (Isa 42.5) resting on a foundation or pillars (Job 9.6). It is surrounded by the ocean (Pss 24.2; 136.6). It has four corners (Isa 11.12; Ezek 7.2; job 37.3; 38.13) and an edge (Isa 24.36) or ends (Isa 40.8; Job 28.4; Ps 48.11; Jer 6.22; 25.32). It also has a center or navel (Ezek 38.12). Except for the implication that Jerusalem is the earth’s center, ancient Israel’s view of the world did not differ from that of other ancient Near Eastern peoples.


Yes the filthy bible is wrong it teaches that my daughter should marry her rapist and that the earth is flat. It is a filthy book that needs called out for what it is. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.



What a filthy book that is. A virgin must marry her rapist? Are you kidding me?

Who here will defend that nonsense and immoral behavior?

Psalme 24:1,2- 1The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

2For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.


Um, in the creation story he made the seas first, then the land, nothing here even comes close to saying the Earth is surrounded by seas.

Isaiah 42:5-Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Nothing about being flat, said he spread out the Earth, but you can spread out something that is round.

Job 9:4-6. He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?

5Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

6Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.


He said who should go against God, who can cause earthquakes (shake the earth) and make pillars tremble (building columns). You are a moron if you think that passage says the Earth is flat and rests on 4 pillars.


I am not going to quote the "4 corners" passages because anyone who knows anything about reading a map can understand that this is talking about the four cardinal directions, not literal corners.

Isaiah 24:36 doesn't exist as chapter 24 only goes up to 23 verses.

The Earth doesn't have a center? Interesting, you'll have to talk to modern geologists about that.

About the rapist thing, you have to separate the history books from the "this is what God wanted" books. Deuteronomy was mostly a history book of the Jewish people, and the Jewish people made MANY mistakes against the will of God, they had their own laws setup, just like we do now, that didn't necessarily coincide with what God said.

The passage you listed is most definitely just a historical recording of the Jewish Law. Just like American's past is jaded with laws like slavery, so is the Jewish past. That does NOT mean that God said "yeah, a young girl has to marry her rapist", that is just a recording of the Jewish laws from that time.

Anyone who can read with at least a junior high reading comprehension level can tell the difference.

I Wear Pants wrote: Those ships were also built by large teams of skilled ship makers with more advanced tools and many hundreds of years more scientific knowledge.

Noah doesn't exactly have those qualifications.

Read the passage, Noah didn't design the boat. He built exactly what he was told.

So, if you agree with science, then read the article I gave with regards to the ark's seaworthiness.

I Wear Pants wrote:

jmog wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: And the same people who argue for a young earth tend to also argue against evolution so...

psst they also used to argue for a flat earth.

Anyone who has ever read their Bible thoroughly, never though the Earth was flat...

Isaiah 40:22
22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


So, hundreds or thousands of years before even scientists knew the Earth was round, the Bible said it was...interesting?

Circle does not equal sphere.

Are you kidding me? You and I both know you are nitpicking now.

Job 26:7 also talks about the Earth being hung in empty space...just like it is...

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

I've never heard a geologist say that Noah's flood was possible or likely. Heard lots of them say that it wasn't possible though. Although no matter if we got factual evidence showing that it was not possible (I don't think any of us posters are geologists so we can't put the big picture together for you as well as some of my professors have) you'd just say "god made it happen" which is why this is a pointless debate.

74Leps wrote:
Trying to get back on subject: Creation scientists have been saying for years that the ark was probably destroyed long ago. The survivors of the flood would have torn it apart to build houses, use it for fuel etc. while the earth settled, and while the earth suffered some minor aftershocks. There would be little, if any, of it left.

If the story is true, I see this being very likely.

74Leps wrote: Those mocking the Bible's timelines use their own giant assumptions about time to try to refute the Bible. Hypocrites. The 'science by consensus' crowd. Using circular reasoning to determine ages. Of course, from the outset, evolution is assumed to be true, then the 'facts' are made to fit the assumption. And you mock the Bible? lol.

But the assumptions go both ways.

74Leps wrote: Mt. St. Helens explosion in May of 1980 proved layers of strata, formerly 'interpreted' to have taken millions of years to form, only need hours, days and weeks, to be laid down.

A diamond can be made in less than an hour with the right combination of heat and pressure. It's been done in the lab. It's not a matter of time, but conditions.

While this is a true statement it is misleading. While in a lab the conditions can be manipulated, in nature they can not.

jmog wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote:

jmog wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: And the same people who argue for a young earth tend to also argue against evolution so...

psst they also used to argue for a flat earth.

Anyone who has ever read their Bible thoroughly, never though the Earth was flat...

Isaiah 40:22
22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


So, hundreds or thousands of years before even scientists knew the Earth was round, the Bible said it was...interesting?

Circle does not equal sphere.

Are you kidding me? You and I both know you are nitpicking now.

Job 26:7 also talks about the Earth being hung in empty space...just like it is...

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Showing another place that the bible incorrectly talks about the way things are (IE earth isn't hung upon nothing) doesn't back up the argument that they somehow knew that the earth was round more than a thousand years before that was the generally accepted idea.

I Wear Pants wrote: I've never heard a geologist say that Noah's flood was possible or likely. Heard lots of them say that it wasn't possible though. Although no matter if we got factual evidence showing that it was not possible (I don't think any of us posters are geologists so we can't put the big picture together for you as well as some of my professors have) you'd just say "god made it happen" which is why this is a pointless debate.

I've listed a geolphysicist whose model says its possible, all you have to do is read this thread.

I even listed his published research papers.

I did the work for you to find a geologist that says its possible.

dwccrew wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: Those ships were also built by large teams of skilled ship makers with more advanced tools and many hundreds of years more scientific knowledge.

Noah doesn't exactly have those qualifications.

But he has the "will of God".

According to the Bible, Noah spent 120 years building the ark. You make a giant assumption that he knew nothing of shipbuilding. There would have been ships in the preflood world.

I remember reading about a mountain that had a part of it split apart years ago, and a ship was found inside of it, of unknown origin. I'll have to look up the reference for that . . .

I Wear Pants wrote:

Are you kidding me? You and I both know you are nitpicking now.

Job 26:7 also talks about the Earth being hung in empty space...just like it is...

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Showing another place that the bible incorrectly talks about the way things are (IE earth isn't hung upon nothing) doesn't back up the argument that they somehow knew that the earth was round more than a thousand years before that was the generally accepted idea.

Matter of fact, the force of gravity is just like "hanging" something in space. So, since Sir Isaac Newton wasn't alive yet and hadn't invited the word gravity or the force of gravity, I'd say the ancient prophets description of gravity is done quite well.

He said he "hung" it on "nothing", sounds like a good analogy to me for how gravity works.

dwccrew wrote:

74Leps wrote:
Trying to get back on subject: Creation scientists have been saying for years that the ark was probably destroyed long ago. The survivors of the flood would have torn it apart to build houses, use it for fuel etc. while the earth settled, and while the earth suffered some minor aftershocks. There would be little, if any, of it left.

If the story is true, I see this being very likely.

74Leps wrote: Those mocking the Bible's timelines use their own giant assumptions about time to try to refute the Bible. Hypocrites. The 'science by consensus' crowd. Using circular reasoning to determine ages. Of course, from the outset, evolution is assumed to be true, then the 'facts' are made to fit the assumption. And you mock the Bible? lol.

But the assumptions go both ways.
- - -
Yes, the assumptions go both ways - so the 'evo' crowd has nothing on creationists/IDers. But which is backed by less 'secondary assumptions' - I know the answer as to which is a better hypothesis, since neither is really a theory since they can't be proved or disproved by a test.

74Leps wrote: Mt. St. Helens explosion in May of 1980 proved layers of strata, formerly 'interpreted' to have taken millions of years to form, only need hours, days and weeks, to be laid down.

A diamond can be made in less than an hour with the right combination of heat and pressure. It's been done in the lab. It's not a matter of time, but conditions.

While this is a true statement it is misleading. While in a lab the conditions can be manipulated, in nature they can not.

- - -

And aren't you being 'misleading' suggesting the earth couldn't, under the right conditions, produce something in a very short time.?

74Leps wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

74Leps wrote:
Trying to get back on subject: Creation scientists have been saying for years that the ark was probably destroyed long ago. The survivors of the flood would have torn it apart to build houses, use it for fuel etc. while the earth settled, and while the earth suffered some minor aftershocks. There would be little, if any, of it left.

If the story is true, I see this being very likely.

74Leps wrote: Those mocking the Bible's timelines use their own giant assumptions about time to try to refute the Bible. Hypocrites. The 'science by consensus' crowd. Using circular reasoning to determine ages. Of course, from the outset, evolution is assumed to be true, then the 'facts' are made to fit the assumption. And you mock the Bible? lol.

But the assumptions go both ways.
- - -
Yes, the assumptions go both ways - so the 'evo' crowd has nothing on creationists/IDers. But which is backed by less 'secondary assumptions' - I know the answer as to which is a better hypothesis, since neither is really a theory since they can't be proved or disproved by a test.

74Leps wrote: Mt. St. Helens explosion in May of 1980 proved layers of strata, formerly 'interpreted' to have taken millions of years to form, only need hours, days and weeks, to be laid down.

A diamond can be made in less than an hour with the right combination of heat and pressure. It's been done in the lab. It's not a matter of time, but conditions.

While this is a true statement it is misleading. While in a lab the conditions can be manipulated, in nature they can not.

- - -

And aren't you being 'misleading' suggesting the earth couldn't, under the right conditions, produce something in a very short time.?

I don't think I am. If the conditions have to be manipulated in a lab, it means they can't naturally occur or have never been proven to have occured; otherwise they wouldn't have to manipulate them in a lab to see if it is possible.

jmog wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: And the same people who argue for a young earth tend to also argue against evolution so...

psst they also used to argue for a flat earth.

Anyone who has ever read their Bible thoroughly, never though the Earth was flat...

Isaiah 40:22
22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


So, hundreds or thousands of years before even scientists knew the Earth was round, the Bible said it was...interesting?

Circles can be flat.
Circles are usually flat. Imagine spreading a tent over a ball? No your spread a tent out over something flat.
The bible teaches a flat earth and not round.
From Daniel
4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. (4:10-11, 20)
Daniel's tree is tall enough to be seen from "the end of all the earth." Only on a flat earth would this be possible.
4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth

In the midst of the earth? Really? A tree in the middle of the earth if it is round is the core and is totally laughable and joke.

And the Coup de grace 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;

Explain how a tree on a round planet could grow so large that the entire earth could see it?

Very possible on the flat earth model which is what the ignorant bible teaches. bronze agers have little knowledge in science.

Please do not try to lie about the flat earth bible.

From the new testament.

Matthew4:8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

ALL The Kingdoms of the earth really? That implies a flat earth not a round one.

Sorry the bible teaches a flat earth.

It also teachs that the Earth is the center of the universe geocentrism. Scientists were actually killed because they though that the Earth went around the Sun instead of what the ridiculous bible teaches.

There was no global flood.

Tree ring data goes back 10,000 years and shows no evidence of a global flood.

People should not believe in myths you might as well believe in the Greek ones which at least are cool and fun rather than the bible.

A global flood would have killed all plant life but yet there are tree rings that go back 10,000 years OUCH to the bibles horrible myths.

http://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co.uk/Article/what-do-tree-rings-show-us

jmog wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote:

Are you kidding me? You and I both know you are nitpicking now.

Job 26:7 also talks about the Earth being hung in empty space...just like it is...

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Showing another place that the bible incorrectly talks about the way things are (IE earth isn't hung upon nothing) doesn't back up the argument that they somehow knew that the earth was round more than a thousand years before that was the generally accepted idea.

Matter of fact, the force of gravity is just like "hanging" something in space. So, since Sir Isaac Newton wasn't alive yet and hadn't invited the word gravity or the force of gravity, I'd say the ancient prophets description of gravity is done quite well.

He said he "hung" it on "nothing", sounds like a good analogy to me for how gravity works.

That isn't at all an accurate description of gravity.

Yes the bible does indeed teach a flat earth. More evidence of this teaching from the bible itself.

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Really? It hurries back to where it rises? The sun does not rise the earth goes around the sun.

The Earth has Edges?
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

There are no ENDS on a sphere. That is simple and little children understand that. However on a flat earth model those verses actually make sense.

Isiah 40:20

The earth is a circle?

A circle is a flat round object similar to a square, rectangle or triangle they do not imply a globe.

Again on the ends of the earth.

Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

There are no ends on a globe but on a flat earth that verse makes sense.

Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

Oh yes another coup de grace to those who lie and say the bible teaches the earth is a globe.

Stretch a measuring line ACROSS it? Bwhahahahahah if it were a globe the bible would clearly say Stretch a measuring line AROUND it.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.


Oh yes the bible teaches a flat earth along with other horrid ideas such as a flood and geocentrism.

take your holy war to the political forum

But it's so easy to get people upset. I can't resist.

BCSbunk wrote: Yes the bible does indeed teach a flat earth. More evidence of this teaching from the bible itself.

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Really? It hurries back to where it rises? The sun does not rise the earth goes around the sun.

The Earth has Edges?
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

There are no ENDS on a sphere. That is simple and little children understand that. However on a flat earth model those verses actually make sense.

Isiah 40:20

The earth is a circle?

A circle is a flat round object similar to a square, rectangle or triangle they do not imply a globe.

Again on the ends of the earth.

Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

There are no ends on a globe but on a flat earth that verse makes sense.

Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

Oh yes another coup de grace to those who lie and say the bible teaches the earth is a globe.

Stretch a measuring line ACROSS it? Bwhahahahahah if it were a globe the bible would clearly say Stretch a measuring line AROUND it.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.


Oh yes the bible teaches a flat earth along with other horrid ideas such as a flood and geocentrism.

The Earth is not a perfect sphere and is in fact slightly flattened at the North and South Poles.

Quote by the great Ferdinand Magellan

“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church”

Oh yes the early church did teach a flat earth I wonder if in 200 years they will teach that the bible says evolution is true ROFLMFAO.

My oh my how the christians spin their tales. Once proven wrong they retreat to try to say the bible says something different than it really does.

What do you expect though from bronze age goat herders? The sad part is here in 2010 people still believe in that nonsense. Nothing more than Hebrew mythology.

NNN wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Yes the bible does indeed teach a flat earth. More evidence of this teaching from the bible itself.

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Really? It hurries back to where it rises? The sun does not rise the earth goes around the sun.

The Earth has Edges?
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

There are no ENDS on a sphere. That is simple and little children understand that. However on a flat earth model those verses actually make sense.

Isiah 40:20

The earth is a circle?

A circle is a flat round object similar to a square, rectangle or triangle they do not imply a globe.

Again on the ends of the earth.

Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

There are no ends on a globe but on a flat earth that verse makes sense.

Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

Oh yes another coup de grace to those who lie and say the bible teaches the earth is a globe.

Stretch a measuring line ACROSS it? Bwhahahahahah if it were a globe the bible would clearly say Stretch a measuring line AROUND it.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.


Oh yes the bible teaches a flat earth along with other horrid ideas such as a flood and geocentrism.

The Earth is not a perfect sphere and is in fact slightly flattened at the North and South Poles.

Who said it was a "perfect sphere" ?

A strawman I smell.

The bible teaches a flat earth it is that simple.

BCSbunk wrote:

NNN wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Yes the bible does indeed teach a flat earth. More evidence of this teaching from the bible itself.

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Really? It hurries back to where it rises? The sun does not rise the earth goes around the sun.

The Earth has Edges?
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

[size=xx-large]There are no ENDS on a sphere[/size]. That is simple and little children understand that. However on a flat earth model those verses actually make sense.

Isiah 40:20

The earth is a circle?

A circle is a flat round object similar to a square, rectangle or triangle they do not imply a globe.

Again on the ends of the earth.

Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

There are no ends on a globe but on a flat earth that verse makes sense.

Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

Oh yes another coup de grace to those who lie and say the bible teaches the earth is a globe.

Stretch a measuring line ACROSS it? Bwhahahahahah if it were a globe the bible would clearly say Stretch a measuring line AROUND it.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

[size=xx-large]Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? [/size]Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.


Oh yes the bible teaches a flat earth along with other horrid ideas such as a flood and geocentrism.

The Earth is not a perfect sphere and is in fact slightly flattened at the North and South Poles.

Who said it was a "perfect sphere" ?

A strawman I smell.

The bible teaches a flat earth it is that simple.

You just said it was a sphere while attempting to lecture everyone else on what the passages say.

NNN wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

NNN wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Yes the bible does indeed teach a flat earth. More evidence of this teaching from the bible itself.

The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Really? It hurries back to where it rises? The sun does not rise the earth goes around the sun.

The Earth has Edges?
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

There are no ENDS on a sphere. That is simple and little children understand that. However on a flat earth model those verses actually make sense.

Isiah 40:20

The earth is a circle?

A circle is a flat round object similar to a square, rectangle or triangle they do not imply a globe.

Again on the ends of the earth.

Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

There are no ends on a globe but on a flat earth that verse makes sense.

Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

Oh yes another coup de grace to those who lie and say the bible teaches the earth is a globe.

Stretch a measuring line ACROSS it? Bwhahahahahah if it were a globe the bible would clearly say Stretch a measuring line AROUND it.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

[size=xx-large]Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? [/size]Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.


Oh yes the bible teaches a flat earth along with other horrid ideas such as a flood and geocentrism.

The Earth is not a perfect sphere and is in fact slightly flattened at the North and South Poles.

Who said it was a "perfect sphere" ?

A strawman I smell.

The bible teaches a flat earth it is that simple.

You just said it was a sphere while attempting to lecture everyone else on what the passages say.

The earth is a sphere not a "perfect" sphere but a sphere and is not flat.

You cannot grab a globe and shake it like described in the bible.

There are no ENDS.

Your rationalizations are really pathetic.

BCSbunk wrote: The earth is a sphere not a "perfect" sphere but a sphere and is not flat.

You cannot grab a globe and shake it like described in the bible.

There are no ENDS.

Your rationalizations are really pathetic.

Something is either a sphere or it is not; it is either perfectly round (thus, a sphere) or it is not (thus, not a sphere).

You want to call everyone else not of your thought pattern uneducated, and yet seem to have failed high school geometry yourself (if you've actually made it that far).