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Justin

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Apr 28, 2010 7:48 AM
WOW Proof the gene pool was even more diluted thought just the south went after kin but guess its proven we are all dating our family one way or another.
Thought we had more genes out there but guess proven now only one blood line formed us. Or some people where strong swimmers and helped keep us from sitting around playing the banjo all day.

YOU SHURE DO GOT A PURTYY MOUTH
Apr 28, 2010 7:48am
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SnotBubbles

Apr 28, 2010 9:07 AM
Hmmmm....interesting. I forwarded the link. I hope they can prove it is indeed Noah's Ark and can validate that story. I honestly do. I'm a "doubting Thomas" these days and this would help bring some much needed (for me) credentials to the Bible.
Apr 28, 2010 9:07am
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SnotBubbles

Apr 28, 2010 9:15 AM
Fab1b wrote: So along with the story they post a pic of some dude in some sort of wooden room/box whatever?? I would think that if you think you found Noah's Arc there would be more photos that would possibly lead one to believe they are in or on or at a boat maybe??? Its just a story!
For the record, there is a slideshow at the bottom of that page with more photos...
Apr 28, 2010 9:15am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 9:59 AM
dwccrew wrote:

You believe that every animal on Earth was on a 400 ft. long Ark? I have beachfront property in Arizona for sale if you are interested.
Technically it didn't have to be every animal, just one from every "family" or "kind".

Like one set of dogs that could over time microevolve into all the species of dogs we have today, etc.
Apr 28, 2010 9:59am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 10:02 AM
Mooney44Cards wrote: So they found a boat?

They do know that Noah's Ark is like a fairy tale, right? A metaphor. Like everything else in the bible.
The only "problem" with this is that this "fairy tale" was recorded in just about every ancient civilization from the Mayans, Chinese, Jews, Mesapotamia (ancient Iraq), etc.

Seems kind of odd that ancient civilizations across the globe tell the same/similar stories.
Apr 28, 2010 10:02am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 10:05 AM
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: I was really into a girl one time and we were getting rather quasi-serious, and then she asked me about the Bible and more importantly evolution. She said evolution is a farce and the earth is only 10,000. So I said that is ridiculous and asked her "So what happened to the dinosaurs?" Her response was laughable, "Noah left them off the boat." I expected a girl with a 3.8 GPA in veterinary medicine to be a bit smarter than that.

I digress, it'd be cool if they found the boat. I'm not saying it never happened. But I think you're an idiot if you think every animal on the planet fit on a 400-foot boat for such a lengthy period.
Well, the girl got some parts "right" except for the dinosaurs part.

If she knew her Bible she'd know that there are several references to dinosaurs existing even after the flood (bohemoth, leviathon, etc).

"Noah left them off the boat" tells me she didn't know her Bible all that well and just believed whatever she was told by some Sunday School teacher that didn't know the answer either so made one up.
Apr 28, 2010 10:05am
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cbus4life

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Apr 28, 2010 10:17 AM
Thanks for info on carbon dating, Jmog, wasn't aware of that. :)
Apr 28, 2010 10:17am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 10:26 AM
cbus4life wrote: Thanks for info on carbon dating, Jmog, wasn't aware of that. :)
No problem, C14 has such a short half life compared to other radioactive isotopes that after about 25k years the amount left is nearly undetectable by modern equipment and by 50k years it is completely undetectable.

If you ever see a C14 date given that is more than 50k years the idiot who gave it is either lying to fit their belief on the age of the item, or they completely don't understand the science of C14.

The machines that read C14 will still spit out a number, but its just noise since the machine can not really detect anything that "low".

Think about your bathroom scale, if you have an electronic one. Its precision might be 0.1 lbs (or 1.6 ounces). Say you put a feather on it that is far less than 0.1 lbs.

It will either display zero or 0.1. Obviously both being wrong for the feather, but you might tell me the feather weighs zero or 0.1 if you have no idea about how the scale works. That's the issue with C14 dating past 50k years, the machine is trying to read something so small its like trying to weigh a feather on a "big" scale. The answer is wrong, but it still is just a piece of equipment that will give you an answer.
Apr 28, 2010 10:26am
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Apr 28, 2010 11:05 AM
jmog wrote:
dwccrew wrote:

You believe that every animal on Earth was on a 400 ft. long Ark? I have beachfront property in Arizona for sale if you are interested.
Technically it didn't have to be every animal, just one from every "family" or "kind".

Like one set of dogs that could over time microevolve into all the species of dogs we have today, etc.

You make a good point, but I still pose the same question. Every family of animal would still not fit on a 400 ft ark IMO.
Apr 28, 2010 11:05am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 11:26 AM
dwccrew wrote:


You make a good point, but I still pose the same question. Every family of animal would still not fit on a 400 ft ark IMO.
Oh no? Doesn't every animal start "small" when they are young? The bible never says the animals were full grown adults.

Also, the ark wasn't just a 1 story/level boat, it was 400ish ft long, but had multiple decks.
Apr 28, 2010 11:26am
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cbus4life

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Apr 28, 2010 11:31 AM
But, how did he get access to all those animals within a small region of the world? I understand the whole "family" thing, but seems hard to believe that he would have been able to get access to even all of the different "families" of animals.
Apr 28, 2010 11:31am
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Apr 28, 2010 11:35 AM
I am sorry I don't buy it. Plus, you do realize that animals like to kill each other right?

Also--No way that he cared for that many "young" animals when most adolescent species require their parent for 100 percent of their nutrition. You can't just have a bunch of baby animals and feed them whatever you want. They require specific diets, usually of their mother's milk. And if they aren't baby animals, then I doubt they can all fit.
Apr 28, 2010 11:35am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 11:36 AM
cbus4life wrote: But, how did he get access to all those animals within a small region of the world? I understand the whole "family" thing, but seems hard to believe that he would have been able to get access to even all of the different "families" of animals.
Well, here's where the "faith" comes in.

If you are someone willing to accept that a supernatural being caused a global flood, then you have to believe that same supernatural being could direct the animals to Noah.

Most Biblical scholars believe the animals came to him supernaturally directed from God.
Apr 28, 2010 11:36am
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Apr 28, 2010 11:41 AM
Gotcha, thanks.
Apr 28, 2010 11:41am
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cbus4life

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Apr 28, 2010 11:42 AM
ohiotiger33 wrote: I am sorry I don't buy it. Plus, you do realize that animals like to kill each other right?

Also--No way that he cared for that many "young" animals when most adolescent species require their parent for 100 percent of their nutrition. You can't just have a bunch of baby animals and feed them whatever you want. They require specific diets, usually of their mother's milk. And if they aren't baby animals, then I doubt they can all fit.
Jesus was on board, and he was able to turn animal crap into mother's milk.
Apr 28, 2010 11:42am
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ohiotiger33

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Apr 28, 2010 11:47 AM
^^

makes sense to me.
Apr 28, 2010 11:47am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 11:51 AM
ohiotiger33 wrote: I am sorry I don't buy it. Plus, you do realize that animals like to kill each other right?

Also--No way that he cared for that many "young" animals when most adolescent species require their parent for 100 percent of their nutrition. You can't just have a bunch of baby animals and feed them whatever you want. They require specific diets, usually of their mother's milk. And if they aren't baby animals, then I doubt they can all fit.
1. Animals won't kill each other if they are in separate compartments (which the Bible said there was on the ark).

2. I never said baby animals that still required their mother's milk (fyi, only mammals need this, no other family of animals need/get a mother's milk)...I said "young".
Apr 28, 2010 11:51am
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jmog

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Apr 28, 2010 11:54 AM
jmog wrote:
cbus4life wrote: But, how did he get access to all those animals within a small region of the world? I understand the whole "family" thing, but seems hard to believe that he would have been able to get access to even all of the different "families" of animals.
Well, here's where the "faith" comes in.

If you are someone willing to accept that a supernatural being caused a global flood, then you have to believe that same supernatural being could direct the animals to Noah.

Most Biblical scholars believe the animals came to him supernaturally directed from God.
I forgot to add, "pangea" or the supercontinent was still "one" until after the flood (long story on plate tectonics) so the region wasn't as spread out with oceans in between as it is now.
Apr 28, 2010 11:54am
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Apr 28, 2010 12:00 PM
cbus4life wrote: But, how did he get access to all those animals within a small region of the world? I understand the whole "family" thing, but seems hard to believe that he would have been able to get access to even all of the different "families" of animals.
We've never been able to understand why wild animals have a tendency to flee for different areas in the period before a cataclysmic event (usually earthquakes), but it's been observed plenty of times that they do. I don't think it would be outside of the realm of possibility for the same to have happened here.
Apr 28, 2010 12:00pm
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Gblock

Apr 28, 2010 12:06 PM
what explanation could there be for a boat on a mountain? it would be very cool if this was the boat from the noah's ark story.....which most likely is partly true and partly not....it's likely they may have felt they were the only survivors even if they were'nt. its also very likely they thought the whole world was flooded when it most likely wasn't.
Apr 28, 2010 12:06pm
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Apr 28, 2010 12:09 PM
NNN wrote:
cbus4life wrote: But, how did he get access to all those animals within a small region of the world? I understand the whole "family" thing, but seems hard to believe that he would have been able to get access to even all of the different "families" of animals.
We've never been able to understand why wild animals have a tendency to flee for different areas in the period before a cataclysmic event (usually earthquakes), but it's been observed plenty of times that they do. I don't think it would be outside of the realm of possibility for the same to have happened here.
Good point. And, Jmog's is as well.
Apr 28, 2010 12:09pm
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Apr 28, 2010 12:42 PM
Questions (while I don't believe that this may be the real "ark"):

1. If it were, and they found proof, would this cause you skeptics to start believing in the Bible or would you make up excuses as to why it didn't belong to Christianity, but rather to other religions of the past?

2. If it were discovered by atheists and they could find that the dimensions matched Noah's ark of the Scripture, etc. and other similarities, what would it take for you to believe that the story was true and that maybe the Bible needs to be trusted a little more?

Not trying to be sarcastic, but I'm a firm believer that what Scripture teaches about the lost demanding physical signs that Jesus existed wouldn't matter because even when they are before your very eyes, you still deny.
Apr 28, 2010 12:42pm
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Apr 28, 2010 12:43 PM
LOL @ jmog trying to explain away a fable.
Apr 28, 2010 12:43pm
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cbus4life

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Apr 28, 2010 12:50 PM
Hell, i worked at a zoo a few summers in undergrad, assisting the keepers and the like, and they had a hard enough time keeping the animals healthy and the like with all the modern conveniences, knowledge, natural habitats, etc.

Just find it hard to believe that any amount of animals would survive floating around on an ark made well before long distance sea-travel was even taking place, without any real knowledge of all the different animals on board. I mean, in zoos, it takes a crap load of people to take care of a relatively few amount of exotic animals. These weren't just pigs, cows, chickens, etc. These were animals with no history of being domesticated, coming from widly varied climates/conditions, all with different dietary needs.

I mean, Jmog and NNN and others make some interesting and valid points, and i appreciate it, i just can't buy it, as of yet.
Apr 28, 2010 12:50pm
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Con_Alma

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Apr 28, 2010 12:54 PM
Of course it's hard to believe. We are human. We are discussing the acts of a superhuman, Omnipotent and trying to communicate them in a rational, humanistic manner.

Without the presence of the Holy Spirit one is not simply going to believe much at all in the Bible.
Apr 28, 2010 12:54pm