BR1986FB wrote:

Al Capone wrote: According to ESPN:
1. Ravens- A
2. Steelers- B
3. Bungals- C
4. Clowns- c

That's comical. Bengals AND Browns draft were better than the Steelers. I'd give the Steelers a C-.

killer_ewok wrote:

BR1986FB wrote:

Al Capone wrote: According to ESPN:
1. Ravens- A
2. Steelers- B
3. Bungals- C
4. Clowns- c

That's comical. Bengals AND Browns draft were better than the Steelers. I'd give the Steelers a C-.

That's an opinion and that's fine. But yours is no more valid than ESPN's or mine or the next person's. So not sure what is so comical.

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote: well the good thing is, in holmgrens first draft they gave him a d. couple years later they were playing in the superbowl. don't know how you can really grade a draft when they have yet to step foot on the field.

1. What was the outcome of that superbowl?
2. What was the state of the Seahawks when he left?

Case closed!! He's just worrying about cashing checks. You'll see.

BR1986FB wrote:

killer_ewok wrote:

BR1986FB wrote:

Al Capone wrote: According to ESPN:
1. Ravens- A
2. Steelers- B
3. Bungals- C
4. Clowns- c

That's comical. Bengals AND Browns draft were better than the Steelers. I'd give the Steelers a C-.

That's an opinion and that's fine. But yours is no more valid than ESPN's or mine or the next person's. So not sure what is so comical.

Exactly. It's fun to throw out opinions but, as has been mentioned. we won't know who went boom or bust for a good 2-3 years....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/25/florio-flaps-his-gums-on-nbc/

Caponeblows12 wrote:

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote: well the good thing is, in holmgrens first draft they gave him a d. couple years later they were playing in the superbowl. don't know how you can really grade a draft when they have yet to step foot on the field.

1. What was the outcome of that superbowl?
2. What was the state of the Seahawks when he left?

Case closed!! He's just worrying about cashing checks. You'll see.

he has made it to more superbowls then your bitch ass.

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote:

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote: well the good thing is, in holmgrens first draft they gave him a d. couple years later they were playing in the superbowl. don't know how you can really grade a draft when they have yet to step foot on the field.

1. What was the outcome of that superbowl?
2. What was the state of the Seahawks when he left?

Case closed!! He's just worrying about cashing checks. You'll see.

he has made it to more superbowls then your bitch ass.

Actually, I've been to 7 superbowls. So I dont know if you're right or wrong.

killer_ewok wrote: Ward was by far the hardest hitting safety in the draft??? I can't say for sure because I haven't seen much of Ward but I have a hard time believing that he is that much of a harder hitting Safety than Taylor Mays. The crowd at Radio City Music Hall was ooh'ing and aww'ing at the highlight film that they showed of Taylor Mays laying dudes the fuck out. Maybe he's Mays' equal or a little better when it comes to hitting. Not sure. But if he was that much better in that area....he woulda put a few college players in wheelchairs.

Now, in regards to coverage....I have no problem believing that he is better than Mays. He couldn't cover for shit.

I love these draft scenarios, in case you hadn't noticed. Here's another one: In Cleveland, midway through the third round, the Browns already had addressed cornerback, safety and running back; now they had two more priority positions to fill: defensive tackle and offensive tackle. They had picks 85 and 92. They had their two guys lined up from about the 70th pick on -- Kentucky defensive tackle Corey Peters and Arizona State tackle Shawn Lauvao. In the draft room, president Mike Holmgren, GM Tom Heckert and coach Eric Mangini, along with a few of the scouts, monitored the draft. Colt McCoy kept sliding.

"I had talked to Jon Gruden about Colt, and he really liked him,'' Holmgren told me. "But Tom said we've got our plan, we like this defensive lineman and the offensive lineman, and we should go ahead and pick them. I kept saying, 'What about the quarterback?' ''

At number 83, two spots before the Browns were going to pick, Atlanta GM Dimitroff picked Peters, the defensive tackle the Browns had in their sights at 85.

"Then,'' Holmgren said, laughing, "the fates were telling me something. We had to pick him. I said to Tom, 'Let's pull the trigger.' I tried to run this draft the way Ron Wolf used to in Green Bay. Everyone contributed. But I kind of pulled rank a little bit. I said, 'Let's do this.' ''

BR1986FB wrote: Noticed where Holmgren said "But I kind of pulled rank a little bit. I said, 'Let's do this?" Heckert is making these picks unless Holmgren interjects.

IggyPride00 wrote:

BR1986FB wrote: Noticed where Holmgren said "But I kind of pulled rank a little bit. I said, 'Let's do this?" Heckert is making these picks unless Holmgren interjects.

My point was I am happy Holmgren is overseeing things, because otherwise we would have another lineman right now instead of McCoy. He's hardly the next coming of Joe Montana, but he is a winner, fits what the Browns want to do on offense, and at pick 85 it would have been absurd to pass on him given the uncertainty at the position considering all we have 2 stop gap QB's. It makes me nervous that Heckert was unwilling to be flexible or responsive were it not for Holmgren big dogging him.

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote:

Al Capone wrote:

Caponeblows12 wrote: well the good thing is, in holmgrens first draft they gave him a d. couple years later they were playing in the superbowl. don't know how you can really grade a draft when they have yet to step foot on the field.

1. What was the outcome of that superbowl?
2. What was the state of the Seahawks when he left?

Case closed!! He's just worrying about cashing checks. You'll see.

he has made it to more superbowls then your bitch ass.

Actually, I've been to 7 superbowls. So I dont know if you're right or wrong.

BR1986FB wrote: Mays can hit but he's very overrated. A lot of Browns fans were pissed we passed on him but that was due to knowing the "name", NOT the performance.

killer_ewok wrote:

BR1986FB wrote: Mays can hit but he's very overrated. A lot of Browns fans were pissed we passed on him but that was due to knowing the "name", NOT the performance.

Yeah, I'm not at all debating that he's overrated or even saying that the Browns should have taken him. It's hard to imagine there being harder hitters "by far" at the Safety position in this draft.