like_that;1778506 wrote:I agree with you here, which is what I said in my post above. They shift away from petty social stances, they will be gaining a lot of new votes. I have a lot of friends who are on the same page as the GOP with many issues, but they specifically don't vote for them because of their social biblical stances. I think the GOP is slowly starting to realize this, but they are also catering to their older voters. They are playing with a fine line, and they can't do a complete 180 over night.

like_that;1778510 wrote:Also just want to add to the GOP is dying narrative. They lost last general election by less than 5%. Let's not turn this into ESPN hot takes. Also, I have my doubts, but if the FBI recommends Hillary to be indicted, you don't think that will bring a black eye to the Dems? The MSM does a good job sweeping a lot of scandalous shit under the rug for the libs, but this is one thing they would not be able to avoid.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778516 wrote:It probably would. There's a good portion of the DEM base (me included) that want nothing to do with Hillary or any Clinton, so it would make a lot of people happy.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778516 wrote:It probably would. There's a good portion of the DEM base (me included) that want nothing to do with Hillary or any Clinton, so it would make a lot of people happy.

like_that;1778518 wrote:900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 house seats, and 13 senate seats is a lot for the Dems. I think they should worry about their own party instead of trying harder to make it seem like the GOP is dying. I think deep down you know both parties are here to stay.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778504 wrote:hardly. The GOP will be fine being fiscally conservative. The days of legislating morality are over and will kill the GOP if they don't move away from it. Ultimately I think they will because they know they have to.

rrfan;1778519 wrote:So you don't want Hillary (I can't blame you for that) do you are bound to your party and are stuck with Bernie.

I actually think it is impossible to believe that all those running are the best we have! That includes Dems and GOP

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778529 wrote:Nope. I can't stand Hillary but that has nothing to do with why I support Bernie. I support Bernie because he's the first true voice of the majority of America in a very long time.

wkfan;1778531 wrote:The 'majority of America' are socialist?

That economic platform has never worked in the history of the world. What makes you think it will work this time?

like_that;1778532 wrote:Another thing about Bernie, which is semi off topic from the OP, but I love how the same people who thought McCain's age was a huge issue in the 08' election see no problem with Bernie's age. Bernie is older than McCain was during the 2008 Election.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778535 wrote:Only idiots thought McCain's age was an issue b/c they had nothing else to go off of. I still think McCain wins if he doesn't take fucking Sarah Palin as a running mate.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778535 wrote:Only idiots thought McCain's age was an issue b/c they had nothing else to go off of. I still think McCain wins if he doesn't take fucking Sarah Palin as a running mate.

like_that;1778540 wrote:Nobody was beating Obama in 2008.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778529 wrote:........the importance of a social safety net that benefits our entire society instead of corporations.

QuakerOats;1778550 wrote:Bernie doesn't pay for that, neither do his out-of-work socialist supporters; rather taxpayers and corporations pay for the the 'social safety net'. And those payments would even be larger than they are, except for the fact that corporations employ tens of millions of people (who because of their corporate employment do not need a social safety net).


Imagine that.

QuakerOats;1778550 wrote:Bernie doesn't pay for that, neither do his out-of-work socialist supporters; rather taxpayers and corporations pay for the the 'social safety net'. And those payments would even be larger than they are, except for the fact that corporations employ tens of millions of people (who because of their corporate employment do not need a social safety net).


Imagine that.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778585 wrote:Corporations are not altruistic nore economically efficient. They are controlled by people who are compensated diproportionately to their conteibution. Those who are LUCKY enought to receive an officer position in a publically traded company have every reason to be called upon to contribute their fair share to a society that provides help to those who require it.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778560 wrote:I pay a good chunk into taxes. I don't mind paying for social services.

sleeper;1778470 wrote:Here's the actual reality of Bernie's plan. The tax increases won't come anywhere near the revenue needed to cover all these entitlement programs so they US will continue to rapidly produce unsustainable deficits that we will ultimately pass down to the next generation.

FatHobbit;1778607 wrote:Does his medicare for all program do anything to control the rising cost of healthcare? Because if healthcare costs continue to rise at their current rates they will have to raise taxes substantially to continue to get an offset between what you pay in taxes and what you would pay in Health insurance premiums. Even if his numbers do add up this year, without controlling healthcare costs they will not next year.