ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778398 wrote:http://datatitian.com/bernie-tax/
so... contrary to popular belief on this site (and the right..which is pretty much one in the same), the middle class isn't getting hammered by Bernie. 70% of Americans save money under his plan.
I love how this nutritionalist cites bernie's website on how he plans to pay for all his program as if it is set in gold. Good luck getting one of those plans passed. It will be a bipartisan vote for "no." It also doesn't take into consideration bernie's other policies that would affect the economy (i.e. minimum wage), not to mention how his plans wouldn't cover the project $15T to $19T cost of his plans. Ultimately like any other socialist plan, this will more than likely lower the median household income. The gap between the poor and rich might tighten just a bit, but everyone will be making less money. Congrats, you are still poor (most likely poorer) and the rich are still rich, but I guess you can be happy that the rich don't make as much money. You showed those evil rich people! It's a "i am taking my ball and going home" mentality.
I think every bernie supporters should be required to macro and micro economics. I am no expert in the two and it wasn't my favorite course, but I did take both and I at least have a basic understanding.
SportsAndLady;1778455 wrote:This thread has gone exactly how I thought.
1) zwick being a complete dick to anyone who disagrees with him.
2) zwick spins this aggressive tax plan to be good for all but the rich, because, you know, they're rich! Why should we not tax them more?
3) zwick making personal attacks because they don't agree with him.
Carry on!
What do you expect? Everything zwick touches turns into gold. Don't believe me? Just ask him.
sleeper;1778470 wrote:Here's the actual reality of Bernie's plan. The tax increases won't come anywhere near the revenue needed to cover all these entitlement programs so they US will continue to rapidly produce unsustainable deficits that we will ultimately pass down to the next generation.
Now cue BS to tell us that US debt doesn't matter because its in our own currency and there are no downsides to having trillions of dollars of debt as long as its in USD.
This.
sleeper;1778471 wrote:I also wanted to add that when the deficits ultimately get much bigger, Bernie and the trash will blame the rich again for "not paying their fair share" and the beat will go on.
Yup, it pretty is a slipper slope for them to eventually increase taxes, when they realize their plan is flawed and the math isn't even close to adding up.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778475 wrote:Well actually the sad reality is he'll not have near the support to get anything done.
At least you got this right. If Bernie was president he would be a lame duck for 4 years, before being replaced. The only positive out of this is maybe people will grow up and realize socialism isn't even close to the answer.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778478 wrote:He has the majority of millennials and I'm sure that scares you and the GOP to death... to know it's a dying party.
I wouldn't care if the GOP died, but I doubt they do. At the very worst a third and eventual majority party will rise out of this that has more of a focus on libertarianism. I hope the GOP can look in the mirror and realize they need to shift this way, especially give up on their petty social stances, which is what hurts the party the most.
sleeper;1778482 wrote:Dying party. Controls Congress.
BTW, the majority of young people typically lean left and somehow the GOP still exists. The GOP will likely be much different 20 years from now but to say its a "dying party" is delusional at best.
This as well. Millenials and young voters are all about that ideological bullshit until they actually get a real job and start paying taxes. If the GOP slowly shifted away from their petty social stances the DNC would be in trouble.
Also, let's not act like it is all peaches and roses with the democrats. All I see is the mainstream media focus on how the GOP fears Trump. I will willing to bet the DNC fears Bernie winning the primary just as much. Also, I have been hearing this shit about the GOP dying for awhile now. Remember when they were apparently dying after the 2008 election? How about the 2012 election? Or how about after the government shutdown? The facts don't support the narrative that zwick and other liberals are eating up. Ever since Obama took office, the dems have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 house seats, and 13 senate seats. Typically what happens in your state government affects you way more than the federal policies that are coming down. Which party is dying again?
sleeper;1778480 wrote:They won't leave the US but they will move at the margin operations overseas. We already see it happening with tax havens so what gives you any confidence that increasing the tax rate even more will ultimately increase federal tax receipts?
The reality is, you'll greatly increase the incentive for companies to keep money and build new operations overseas while vastly decreasing on the margin investment opportunities in the US. I think these tax policies plus the environment that would allow such policies to exist will force companies to become super lean and shed jobs left and right.
Tl;dr: Bernie would be a disaster.
They are already leaving, might as well take more from them anyway! /zwicklogic
sleeper;1778497 wrote:Maybe the latter of you statement is untrue but the former is mostly true. There is the group of rich people of inherited/generational wealth that didn't do anything to earn their money however that is mostly an exception. not the rule. The left likes to pretend its the rule because it fits their narrative better and makes it easy to wage class warfare. The reality is, poor people and Democrats don't see the failure and the sacrifice of those who are rich and instead want to demonize the eventual success as those people being greedy.
The sooner people understand that smart people will be rich and idiots will be poor, then we can start moving in the right direction. No matter the policy, rich people will find a way to make money. Poor people can have free shit given to them and they'll still remain poor. And the middle class gets boned on both ends.
