HitsRus;1628556 wrote:Seriously dude? The heavy work was already done. All he had to do was manage it and not neglect it.

You don't like baseball analogies... let's try this.

You (your country) decides to plant a garden....You plow it, plant your seeds (of democracy), and clear out all the weeds.
Now once that is done, it's easy to keep the weeds down with minimal work so your plants can grow and take root. But if you neglect it, the weeds come back, and when they come back they take over fast and now you have a mess and your plants are stifled or dead.

That's what happened here. Now I'm not talking or debating whether or not the 'garden' should have been put in in the first place. That decision is a decade plus old and GWB is 6 years in the rear view mirror. I'm talking about how it has been handled since....and the results have not been pretty. How could it have been handled differently? That is what the president's job is, that is what his State Departments job is....and backed if necessary, by the credible threat of application of force, to apply leverage to a situation such that the outcome is in our national interest. To that, this administration has been woefully inadequate and inept.

Power vacuum? Of course there is a power vacuum.....you have the major world power in full retreat. Others (especially those that are unfriendly to us) are going to move in and flourish. That's the way the world operates. LOL if you think differently.

95% of the blame for the current Iraq situation lies with....Iraq. They set the deadline, and insisted we leave when we did.

Pretty sure the other 5% lies with some girl in Weirton

ccrunner609;1628569 wrote:We cant solve what is going on in there, we cant solve anything in the future. Chopping that country into 3 regions is the only solution. A central government wont get it done. split it in 3 and split the oil revenue and everyone will be happy.

That's a woefully inadequate simplification of the situation.

HitsRus;1628575 wrote:I agree...I was just trying to put it in a form you could understand. There is a ton of reasons dating back into the Clinton administration as to why Saadaam needed to be removed, and the thought process was to allow a relatively secular society become an island of freedom and democracy. We could debate that for sure, but that's way in the rearview mirror. Now , at best, it never came close to that, but at least it was stable when GWB left. BHO has let it become a cluster f***.

There is a ton of reasons

you have no idea what should have been done but are eager to shit on this administration in a difficult situation because it supports your political affiliation?

HitsRus;1628589 wrote:Why would I or anybody on this board have any idea what should have been done. I'm not privy to intelligence reports. I'm not privy to military capabilities. But c'mon...after such a huge investment, we just walk away with no contingency plans and let it go to shit? Nobody foresaw this? I've not spared GWB from any criticism so why do YOU make it political? I'll tell you why...you have got no good answers and it's the only excuse you can muster for the negligence.

I don't care what administration is in office post GWB, this was never going to end well

Mohican00;1628551 wrote:What exactly did he whiff on? The odds of success from the situation he inherited were minimal. And I'm sure if you have a better suggestion on what should be done write him a fucking letter.

gut;1628638 wrote:Well, the economy, healthcare, Iraq....to name a few. The economy stabilized and bottomed shortly after he took office, but he still blames Bush for that. He had a huge popular mandate and near supermajority in Congress...and look at all he's accomplished.

He had an economy poised to bounce back and two wars ready to be ended in victory...It doesn't get much better than that.

As for Iraq, believe who you want but Cheney's perspective is we have negotiated some 45+ such agreements and Iraq wanted us there and still wants us there...Obama just didn't get it done. W would not have pulled out like that with his military commanders advising against it. This is Obama the populist letting the polls drive his decision making, when he's actually bothered to get involved in something.

Mohican00;1628599 wrote:It was a failure to begin with....I don't care what administration is in office post GWB, this was never going to end well. Contingency plans? Outside of making Iraq the 51st state what is going to work?

And I don't for a second believe you would support continuous occupation after 11 years and trillions on something that will never come to fruition (autonomous democratic Iraq). Bottom line: there was no desirable outcome from the war to begin with so any decision made by the current administration would be looked at as unfavorable by hatin ass haters

Footwedge;1628408 wrote:Only in America can an imbecile like him write the following in a WSJ op-ed......."Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."

He...of all people. Nobody was more wrong than dickless Cheney...and his claims of Iraq's WMD. Lucipher has your room clean and ready for you Dick. Enjoy your afterlife.

QuakerOats;1629156 wrote:So let me get this straight; after 6 years it is finally no longer Bush's fault; it is Cheney's fault.





The shell game continues, while the obama regime plunges the nation into the abyss.

QuakerOats;1629188 wrote:The obama regime has not one accomplishment, so they fill the void by blaming EVERYTHING on someone, or something, else. It is getting so old it is nearly comical.

We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people. We’re building a new partnership between our nations. And we are ending a war not with a final battle, but with a final march toward home.

QuakerOats;1629315 wrote:Megan Kelly interviewed the deputy spokeswoman for national security last night. It is understandable why we are where we are right now; we have a bunch of inept, inexperienced, progressive millennials in charge of national security under the direction of a completely inept, inexperienced, marxist community activist. John McCain was clearly correct the other day when he pleaded for the removal of the entire national security team. It is tragic how far we have fallen.