New intrp on near fall and fleeing

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Refman

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Nov 30, 2009 9:27 AM
This is the latest from OHSAA and the NFHS:

If the defensive wrestler flees the mat in an imminent nearfall
situation or before the two-point near fall criteria of a two count have
been met, a two-point near-fall shall be awarded in addition to an additional point for the technical violation of for fleeing the mat.

Now..this places this in the same category with points given as when the defensive wrestler screams out as he is being turned.
Nov 30, 2009 9:27am
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knightflyer150

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Nov 30, 2009 9:38 AM
Refman wrote: This is the latest from OHSAA and the NFHS:

If the defensive wrestler flees the mat in an imminent nearfall
situation or before the two-point near fall criteria of a two count have
been met, a two-point near-fall shall be awarded in addition to an additional point for the technical violation of for fleeing the mat.

Now..this places this in the same category with points given as when the defensive wrestler screams out as he is being turned.
So...if a guy is put on his back and bridges to get out of bounds, he is FLEEING? Hmm.
Nov 30, 2009 9:38am
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Joe Daugherty

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Nov 30, 2009 9:43 AM
Refman wrote: This is the latest from OHSAA and the NFHS:

If the defensive wrestler flees the mat in an imminent nearfall
situation or before the two-point near fall criteria of a two count have
been met, a two-point near-fall shall be awarded in addition to an additional point for the technical violation of for fleeing the mat.

Now..this places this in the same category with points given as when the defensive wrestler screams out as he is being turned.
Ok I saw this (in red) happen a few times in the last few tournaments and have not seen any points given , other than the original near fall points ???
So Refman , my question is , if kid A has kid B in a near fall situation and kid A has already gained 3 near fall points , but still has kid B on his back , then kid B screams out in ( Pain :rolleyes:) Does kid A get an additional point? Also what if he has only gained 2 nearfall points when the pain sets in ?
Nov 30, 2009 9:43am
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me1

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Nov 30, 2009 1:44 PM
I think it means if the bottom kid does the "inch worm" from the middle of the mat, out of bounds ... it's fleeing. A normal bridge would not be considered fleeing. This is a non-ref explanation.
Nov 30, 2009 1:44pm
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Refman

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Nov 30, 2009 6:01 PM
If the bottom kid screams out....and the referee has to stop the match for ANY reason, (time expiring is a reason) yes he would get 4 points.
Nov 30, 2009 6:01pm
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Refman

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Nov 30, 2009 6:02 PM
me1...once near fall has been earned...the bottom kid can scoot out of bounds all he wants...there cannot be fleeing called, once NF has been earned.
Nov 30, 2009 6:02pm
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 1, 2009 7:10 AM
Refman wrote: If the bottom kid screams out....and the referee has to stop the match for ANY reason, (time expiring is a reason) yes he would get 4 points.
10-4 :D
Dec 1, 2009 7:10am
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cruiser_96

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Dec 1, 2009 7:30 AM
And on a totally unrelated topic...

A-hem? My samples???
Dec 1, 2009 7:30am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 1, 2009 8:02 AM
:angel: Sorry Cruiser ! I was going to e-mail you this week !! I have them and I will be in C-bus on Saturday. Can I meet you Saturday night, or Sunday morning? We will be down for the Team Ohio Tourney and it just made more sense to meet you. Let me know either way.
Dec 1, 2009 8:02am
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cruiser_96

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Dec 1, 2009 8:48 AM
Where in Central Ohio? I'm running a JV tournament at our place on Sat. but will hopefully be done by 6 or 7pm. From there we were looking to catchthe finals of the Eye of the Tiger tournament out at Pick. Central.

Sunday morning is definitely out!

Let me know.
Dec 1, 2009 8:48am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 1, 2009 9:08 AM
cruiser_96 wrote: Where in Central Ohio? I'm running a JV tournament at our place on Sat. but will hopefully be done by 6 or 7pm. From there we were looking to catchthe finals of the Eye of the Tiger tournament out at Pick. Central.

Sunday morning is definitely out!

Let me know.
Maybe I could meet you at the Eye of the Tiger tourney and catch some good wrestling with my son at the same time. ? Otherwise I will just drop them in the mail (address already provided).
Dec 1, 2009 9:08am
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cruiser_96

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Dec 1, 2009 9:16 AM
GREAT!!! Keep in touch.
Dec 1, 2009 9:16am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 1, 2009 9:19 AM
cruiser_96 wrote: GREAT!!! Keep in touch.
I shot u a e-mail.:blush:
Dec 1, 2009 9:19am
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WGBplayer

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Dec 2, 2009 10:06 AM
me1 wrote: I think it means if the bottom kid does the "inch worm" from the middle of the mat, out of bounds ... it's fleeing. A normal bridge would not be considered fleeing. This is a non-ref explanation.
We discussed this in our meeting. The way our intept explained it was, if it can be done in the middle of the mat, it shouldn't be called fleeing.

Ex. A kid bridges and rolls through and they go out of bounds.... It shouldn't be called fleeing even if no counts or a one has been given. This an act where if in the middle of the mat, no points would be awarded if he can do this before a 2 count is reached and isn't penalized for "stalling/penalty chart".
The "inchworm" "technique" is a clear fleeing act.
It's all in how the ref saw the action as to whether a fleeing call should be made. This was the conclusion that the association came to after many scenario's were talked about.

I think this situation is pretty clear cut most of the time. Then again there will always be a situation or two where it can go either way.
Dec 2, 2009 10:06am
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Cthelites

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Dec 3, 2009 11:37 AM
But if a kid inchworms his way oob ^^^ but already has the nearfall count then it would not be fleeing according to refman, right?
Dec 3, 2009 11:37am
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WGBplayer

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Dec 3, 2009 12:03 PM
Cthelites wrote: But if a kid inchworms his way oob ^^^ but already has the nearfall count then it would not be fleeing according to refman, right?
Yes, Once NF points are earned (2 count) the wrestler can inchworm out.
Dec 3, 2009 12:03pm