posted by gutBut you're good killing non-innocents? Do they get a trial first, or straight to firing squad?
Say things get out of control and gun confiscation becomes a thing. Agents of the state start going door to door to confiscate the arms of free Americans. Those state agents should be shot, yes.
I believe putting ketchup on a hot dog is a worse offense than taking illicit drugs. Neither should be illegal, of course. I'm unwilling to change my mind on this.
posted by justincredibleSay things get out of control and gun confiscation becomes a thing. Agents of the state start going door to door to confiscate the arms of free Americans. Those state agents should be shot, yes.
"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable"
This was written by people at the time many including their government would have labeled them extremists. Reasonable individuals are fully capable of judging when it becomes insufferable.
Funny how the media is silent on the NY blackouts. Weird when the governor shuts down nuclear plants (the cleanest energy) and then blackouts happen they don’t dunk on him, must be Desantis’ fault.
posted by ptown_trojans_1OK, based on these quotes, pacifists are bad. I actually agree with this depending on which "kind" of pacifist you mean. There are two types, some do not believe self-defense constitutes violence, some do. The latter I have little or no use for.Yes there can be extremists that are not violent...they are called pacifists.
If you go by the text book definition of extremist, they cannot be a good thing. By definition, they are on the far ends of the spectrum. Whatever it may be.
posted by iclfan2Funny how the media is silent on the NY blackouts.
I still can't get over the lack of interest in Hunter Biden.
Turned on CNN today to see what they were saying about the indictment. They had Michael Cohen on, promising "the walls are closing in". Doesn't matter if you're a known criminal and liar, CNN is happy to have you on if you're going to say bad things about Trump.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Or perhaps one has thought a subject through in great detail, and needs better arguments to be open to changing one's mind. They see the other view, but seeing it for the millionth time reinforces the idea that said view is likely wrong. The 2A militia argument comes to mind. That one is settled. If one can't do better than that, they don't deserve much of a hearing.If you are an extremist, you are so hard set in such a view that you cannot be changed from that view. The concept of compromise or rational thought is illogical. You only see your own view.
posted by ptown_trojans_1I don't accept that moderation and rational are a matched set. I'm not sure why you make that assumption.I would add the important variable here is where that line from moderation and rational views to extremism lines.
posted by queencitybuckeye
Or perhaps one has thought a subject through in great detail, and needs better arguments to be open to changing one's mind. They see the other view, but seeing it for the millionth time reinforces the idea that said view is likely wrong. The 2A militia argument comes to mind. That one is settled. If one can't do better than that, they don't deserve much of a hearing.
Indeed. I've been hearing the same tired arguments my entire life on a wide arrange of topics that I find to range from unconvincing to utter bullshit. I don't consider myself unreasonable or illogical, as my entire career has been built off of my ability to reason through difficult problems and come up with logical solutions.
If that makes me an extremist, and therefor "bad" according to the beltway moderate opinion, I accept that gladly.
Now an Ohio judge is requiring vaccination as part of people proba
posted by sportchamppsNow an Ohio judge is requiring vaccination as part of people proba
Another in a long list of things that have radicalized me against the state, forging my extremist views:
Every single state agent that had a hand in taking this woman back to prison deserves to suffer a miserable existence for the rest of their lives. They are enemies of the people. You cannot change my mind.
posted by justincredibleAnother in a long list of things that have radicalized me against the state, forging my extremist views:
Every single state agent that had a hand in taking this woman back to prison deserves to suffer a miserable existence for the rest of their lives. They are enemies of the people. You cannot change my mind.
Fucking extremist. Mark Zuckerberg is coming for you.
Antifa is protesting and beating people in LA bc someone at a spa was mad that a tranny exposed himself to women and young girls. So no Ptown, I won’t just use their pronouns and pretend it’s not a mental illness.
Anyone arrested will of course have all charges dropped like all the rioters and looters of the past 18 months. As the FBI knocks down doors of grandmas who existed at the Capitol on 1/6. And let’s also not forget the Democrat Socialist DA in Austin that just brought charges against a guy who shot a BLM loser who raised his rifle at a guy and got clapped.
I saw the video of the guy in the Roof Korean shirt smacking the woman with a bottle that attacked him.
posted by justincredibleIndeed. I've been hearing the same tired arguments my entire life on a wide arrange of topics that I find to range from unconvincing to utter bullshit. I don't consider myself unreasonable or illogical, as my entire career has been built off of my ability to reason through difficult problems and come up with logical solutions.
If that makes me an extremist, and therefor "bad" according to the beltway moderate opinion, I accept that gladly.
This, especially when it comes to the anti 2A. They recycle the same lazy arguments every single time.
Great to see the dems (aka Marxists) trashing Independence Day.
Just leave, please.
I guess the NY Safe Act didn't work.
Today I am issuing an Executive Order declaring a Disaster Emergency on gun violence.
— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) July 6, 2021
Gun violence is a public health crisis, and we must treat it like one.
This declaration will allow us to give this crisis the full attention & resources it deserves.
You won't see him declaring workplace harassment a Disaster Emergency.
posted by justincredibleI guess the NY Safe Act didn't work.
Today I am issuing an Executive Order declaring a Disaster Emergency on gun violence.
— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) July 6, 2021
Gun violence is a public health crisis, and we must treat it like one.
This declaration will allow us to give this crisis the full attention & resources it deserves.
This is a complete lie from a corrupt liar.
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) July 6, 2021
Gun manufacturers are absolutely civilly liable for product defects. What they're not liable for are *criminal misuses* of their products, just like tire makers and gas stations are not liable for hit-and-runs. https://t.co/VYa2cffjWe
posted by iclfan2This is a complete lie from a corrupt liar.
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) July 6, 2021
Gun manufacturers are absolutely civilly liable for product defects. What they're not liable for are *criminal misuses* of their products, just like tire makers and gas stations are not liable for hit-and-runs. https://t.co/VYa2cffjWe
Cuomo blamed red states for the gun crime in NY saying that people are bringing in guns from out of state. In case he didn't know, it is illegal to bring guns in to NY. Another democrat hack blaming others when it is their own liberal policies that are destroying their cities.
The guy should be in jail for sending 15,000 elderly to their deaths, not to mention criminal workplace harassment; but when you're a democrat it's different, you can get away with anything.
posted by QuakerOatsCuomo blamed red states for the gun crime in NY saying that people are bringing in guns from out of state.
I've heard that same argument numerous times about Chicago. Several years ago, there was a study of guns recovered in crimes - 20% were from out-of-state.
The vast majority of guns used in crimes in this country are STOLEN. There might be large numbers of "fronts" purchasing and re-selling guns to gangs, but I'm pretty sure law enforcement is on top of that and it's not widespread.
posted by gutI've heard that same argument numerous times about Chicago. Several years ago, there was a study of guns recovered in crimes - 20% were from out-of-state.
The vast majority of guns used in crimes in this country are STOLEN. There might be large numbers of "fronts" purchasing and re-selling guns to gangs, but I'm pretty sure law enforcement is on top of that and it's not widespread.
Perhaps there could be more focus on the legal owners who are robbed of their guns. According to the statistics, tens of thousands of stolen guns are used in crimes. From whom were they stolen? If this is true, there must be hundreds or thousands of gun thefts every day or every week. Most legal gun owners I know are very careful in securing their weapons (I don't know anyone who's ever had a gun stolen from them). So who is not maintaining the necessary security over their weapon and allowing it to be stolen? If someone just leaves a gun lying around sloppily, it gets stolen and is then used to commit a crime, there may be reason for some accountability there. This seems like where a huge disconnect exists in the issue.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieFrom whom were they stolen? If this is true, there must be hundreds or thousands of gun thefts every day or every week. Most legal gun owners I know are very careful in securing their weapons
It's absolutely true. Estimates are 200k guns stolen annually in the US. That's out of some 400M guns, or about 0.05%.
I doubt a lot of these guns are being stolen from your suburban friends where breakins/theft are very low, along with the means to have expensive and heavy safes that might prevent theft.
So your proposal would create additional financial burdens on gun ownership among the poorest people in the highest crime areas that need access the most.
The other problem with your proposal is there's also the issue of a gun for defense needing to be readily and quickly accessible.
Never forget how much liberals sucked this guy’s dick. As he sits in a courtroom crying today, while only getting sentenced to 30 months for trying to extort Nike. Don’t worry, he still has 2 more federal cases to be tried at.