posted by QuakerOats

 

 

You are completely missing the reasons they are continually after him:  he is not like them; he is not part of their establishment; he is not a milktoast; he is not afraid to say what he thinks; he calls them out continuously for their never-ending failure to get things accomplished; he is uncontrollable by them; he is exposing their immeasurable hypocrisy; he is damning in nearly every way to their old ways ‘doing business’; he scares them.  They will spy on him, set him up, leak, lie, attempt a coup, and do anything else they can think of to get rid of him.  If they win, The People lose; if he gets 4 more years, The People may end up with a republic they can once again have faith in.

*slurp, slurp*

Lol at CNN already reporting "the transcript might be doctored "

Also reporting that nobody has any evidence that Trump said anything unconstitutional. 

My question is this:

People have been crying for impeachment for the years since inauguration.  Why now if not for new information?

Also, as much as I hate his politics, I appreciated Crazy Uncle Bernie refusing to assume guilt prior to the inquiry in front of his supporters (who would have creamed themselves if he had been more emotional).

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

he is damning in nearly every way to their old ways ‘doing business’; he scares them.  

I do like how he sidelined the White House press secretary's role (who I have often referred to as the propaganda minister).  If he is going to lie he will do it to their face.  Not have some poor sap do it.  Who likes repetitive droning talking points being uttered with every question. 

I find it refreshing to hear impromptu direct engagement with the press on a regular basis rather than politically filtered dialogue through a surrogate.  I would agree in this case there is fear amongst the political establishment.

posted by Spock

Who knows if the transcript isn't doctored and changed.

 

posted by Spock

Lol at CNN already reporting "the transcript might be doctored "

posted by O-Trap

 

Also, as much as I hate his politics, I appreciated Crazy Uncle Bernie refusing to assume guilt prior to the inquiry in front of his supporters (who would have creamed themselves if he had been more emotional).

I have no idea what this is referring to? Did I miss something?

What in the fuck is wrong with the media. Carson King, who raised $1M for Iowa’s children’s hospital, got old tweets from sophmore year in high school brought up by some piece of shit “journalist”. So now, Anheiser Busch pulls out of honoring him too. Why in the hell did someone feel the need to dig that up? Enemy of the people is such a fitting description. 

posted by O-Trap

My question is this:

People have been crying for impeachment for the years since inauguration.  Why now if not for new information?

Also, as much as I hate his politics, I appreciated Crazy Uncle Bernie refusing to assume guilt prior to the inquiry in front of his supporters (who would have creamed themselves if he had been more emotional).

To put it simply, if proven true: The President of the United States in a call with a foreign head of state wanted them to find evidence to target a political opponent, and if they did not, would stop foreign military aid. 

This deserves to be full investigated, vetted, and if found true, is the text book definition of abuse of power and impeachment. 

posted by iclfan2

What in the fuck is wrong with the media. Carson King, who raised $1M for Iowa’s children’s hospital, got old tweets from sophmore year in high school brought up by some piece of shit “journalist”. So now, Anheiser Busch pulls out of honoring him too. Why in the hell did someone feel the need to dig that up? Enemy of the people is such a fitting description. 

And, it turns out, the "journo" in question also had racist, homophobic tweets from 6-8 years ago.

posted by justincredible

And, it turns out, the "journo" in question also had racist, homophobic tweets from 6-8 years ago.

Good. Fuck him and fuck the whole newspaper. Everyone involved should be fired, it's ridiculous. The editors even tried defending it, saying it was part of a normal background check. GTFO.

The White House on Wednesday released a transcript of President Trump’s July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky showing him seeking a review of Biden family dealings in the country – but the document does not show Trump leveraging military aid as part of a quid-pro-quo, as Democrats have suggested in pressing forward with impeachment. The transcript, declassified by Trump a day earlier, indicates the call – which Trump made from the White House residence -- took place July 25 from 9:03 a.m. to 9:33 a.m. It begins with the president congratulating Zelensky on his election victory, before Trump eventually broaches the subject former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

posted by QuakerOats

The White House on Wednesday released a transcript of President Trump’s July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky showing him seeking a review of Biden family dealings in the country – but the document does not show Trump leveraging military aid as part of a quid-pro-quo, as Democrats have suggested in pressing forward with impeachment. The transcript, declassified by Trump a day earlier, indicates the call – which Trump made from the White House residence -- took place July 25 from 9:03 a.m. to 9:33 a.m. It begins with the president congratulating Zelensky on his election victory, before Trump eventually broaches the subject former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

The President of the United States asked a foreign head of state to investigate a political opponent. 

It deserves to be fully investigated and if true, is an abuse of power and an impeachable offense. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I have no idea what this is referring to? Did I miss something?

He was asked yesterday how he would lean.  He declined to side either way prior to hearing everything presented in an official capacity.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

To put it simply, if proven true: The President of the United States in a call with a foreign head of state wanted them to find evidence to target a political opponent, and if they did not, would stop foreign military aid. 

This deserves to be full investigated, vetted, and if found true, is the text book definition of abuse of power and impeachment.

That's my point.  My question was in response to something Spock said.  To me, in order for movement to happen only now, it was obvious this was a big deal.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

The President of the United States asked a foreign head of state to investigate a political opponent. 

It deserves to be fully investigated and if true, is an abuse of power and an impeachable offense. 

I just read all 5 pages; as Trump said it was a great call.  He was right yet again.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

The President of the United States asked a foreign head of state to investigate a political opponent. 

It deserves to be fully investigated and if true, is an abuse of power and an impeachable offense. 

He did not; he asked him to look into why the Ukrainian investigation was shut down.

posted by QuakerOats

 

I just read all 5 pages; as Trump said it was a great call.  He was right yet again.

LOL. Read pages 3-5 there chief. 

You read them, and try to discern the MASSIVE difference between your conclusion and what really was said.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

The President of the United States asked a foreign head of state to investigate a political opponent. 

It deserves to be fully investigated and if true, is an abuse of power and an impeachable offense. 

You think asking about Biden is impeachable? And you think the Senate would actually vote to remove him over it?

“There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great,” Trump said in the phone call. “Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it…It sounds horrible to me.”

And let me add:  If a sitting vice-president used American taxpayers’ money to effectively bribe a foreign nation to halt a foreign investigation for the personal benefit of that sitting vice-president, then you are God damn right the current president of the United States damn well better ask about it to find out what the hell was going on; it is his duty to do so ---- the criminality of that vice-president should be prosecuted.

This is so much hot air.  I just read the transcript.  Trump didn't threaten to withhold military aid if Biden wasn't targeted. He asked for the guy to follow up on an allegation.  I'm sure Trump would love to see Biden go down on something, but his request is legitimate and probably no different than any head of state would make in a similar situation.  

There have got to be transcripts of calls like this from every single president we've had.  What a joke to call this impeachable.

On an aside, I am glad QO has been able to fanboy the call by repeating Trump's description of it as a "great call".  If Trump said turds were dancing in the sky, QO would dash outside with a pair of binoculars.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

To put it simply, if proven true: The President of the United States in a call with a foreign head of state wanted them to find evidence to target a political opponent, and if they did not, would stop foreign military aid. 

This deserves to be full investigated, vetted, and if found true, is the text book definition of abuse of power and impeachment. 

The longer term issue would be that the other 36,942 things the other party has thrown out as "impeachable offenses" is behavior at least as if not more harmful to the union than this issue. What the hell do we do about that?

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

And let me add:  If a sitting vice-president used American taxpayers’ money to effectively bribe a foreign nation to halt a foreign investigation for the personal benefit of that sitting vice-president, then you are God damn right the current president of the United States damn well better ask about it to find out what the hell was going on; it is his duty to do so ---- the criminality of that vice-president should be prosecuted.

If Obama had made a call like the one Trump made to Ukraine, you would be so far out in front leading the "Impeach to Save the Republic and the People" campaign.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If Obama had made a call like the one Trump made to Ukraine, you would be so far out in front leading the "Impeach to Save the Republic and the People" campaign.  

LOL ……….the call was fine; talk to us about obama’s VP using OUR money to bribe a foreign government to back off of an investigation in order to save his son and his family.  Please explain that criminality, as well as why our current president should not be inquiring as to how all that came to pass.

For the second political scandal in a row you are confusing who first committed the actual crimes.  Fool me once, shame on ……

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If Obama had made a call like the one Trump made to Ukraine, you would be so far out in front leading the "Impeach to Save the Republic and the People" campaign.  

There's also the issue that directing the DOJ to investigate something is kind of a no-no.  And any influence or interference in an active investigation is an even bigger no-no.

On the other hand, is it materially different from "hey, Vlad, CUT IT OUT"?  I don't know, but there's clearly a line that can be crossed where you get into aid to a campaign our attacking political adversaries.  The Mueller investigation showed Trump doesn't necessarily know where the line is and isn't afraid of crossing it....and his handlers can't possibly save him from himself 24/7.

If I were the Dems, I'd just run on loop Trump saying "this can never happen to another President again" and then show him trying to do the same thing to Biden.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

LOL ……….the call was fine; talk to us about obama’s VP using OUR money to bribe a foreign government to back off of an investigation in order to save his son and his family.  Please explain that criminality, as well as why our current president should not be inquiring as to how all that came to pass.

 

For the second political scandal in a row you are confusing who first committed the actual crimes.  Fool me once, shame on ……

As I said earlier, I have no problem with the call.  However if Obama had made a similar call, you know damn well you'd be crying from the mountaintops about it.  That was my point.