posted by CenterBHSFan

I'm not going to disagree. 

But we should make up our minds just how important a VP is and how big we determine their role. Because you til now, I and others have been told that VPs aren't accountable for what a presidents administration does or does not do. 

I will make the first step and I will say that they definitely hold a good amount of sway. Not decisively making decisions overall, but definitely has some persuasive power. I guess it could be likened to "fair to middling".

As an aside, I'd bet most VP's spend a lot of time planning out what they would do differently  if something happened to their boss. That's kind of the whole point of being a VP. In the old European saying about royalty, titled peerage or large landowners "an heir and a spare", that's the plan - backup.

Then, if we can agree to that much, we can go in to argue or hash out the finer particulars. 

Yeah, the VP normally doesn't do much and has been called the most worthless job in the country. It usually depends on how the President involves the VP. Most do not. Trump didn't involve Pence in many of his decisions, and sounds like Biden doesn't include Harris either. But, it takes one small health issue and suddenly Vance is President. 

There is a reason why Veep was called the most accurate DC show lol. 

The one exception is Cheney with W. 

I'd also add it makes Vance look bad as a Senator too. He is the sitting Senator for the state. It is nothing to pick up the phone and call Springfield. 

I miss Rob Portman lol. 

posted by QuakerOats

I didn't assume a damn thing.  But on cue, another liberal whips out the race card.  Congrats. 

Yeah, you did. The fact you see nothing wrong is in itself a problem. 

Reread your Point B, especially the middle sentences. Those are the ones filled with the racist tropes. 

Your post is also easily refuted by local news sources.

posted by geeblock

I mean continuing to say a group of people eat pets with zero evidence and in fact ignoring evidence they don’t eat pets is kinda racist. 

I never said anyone ate any pets.  Reading comprehension is a thing.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, you did. The fact you see nothing wrong is in itself a problem. 

Reread your Point B, especially the middle sentences. Those are the ones filled with the racist tropes. 

Your post is also easily refuted by local news sources.

I asked if any journalist actually asked any of the Haitians a simple question.  There is literally nothing racist about that. 

I also pointed out that that really doesn't matter; what matters is the strain on resources and taxpayers, which city officials fully acknowledge. 

But keep digging for racism if you must. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

There is a reason why Veep was called the most accurate DC show lol. 

The one exception is Cheney with W. 

I never ever watched that show. My time for tv was mainly for football and AHS. I dropped the satellite service because it was stupid to pay $200/month for something I only used around 3 months a year.

Also, I had thought that we'd never hear from Dick Cheney again and then he rises from his crypt to endorse Kamala. I tell you, she should have been screaming from the rooftops "Leave me alone foul beast, the power of Christ compels you!". But... she didn't. That woman was excessively thankful. 

I actually thought that the paradigm shift between the right and left would take years or decades to complete once it became obvious what was happening. But, I couldn't be more wrong. Once that ball started rolling it took off like a shot! 

posted by QuakerOats Just because it is unacceptable in America doesn't mean it is unacceptable in Haiti.  

It's this sentence Quaker...

posted by CenterBHSFan

I never ever watched that show. My time for tv was mainly for football and AHS. I dropped the satellite service because it was stupid to pay $200/month for something I only used around 3 months a year.

Also, I had thought that we'd never hear from Dick Cheney again and then he rises from his crypt to endorse Kamala. I tell you, she should have been screaming from the rooftops "Leave me alone foul beast, the power of Christ compels you!". But... she didn't. That woman was excessively thankful. 

I actually thought that the paradigm shift between the right and left would take years or decades to complete once it became obvious what was happening. But, I couldn't be more wrong. Once that ball started rolling it took off like a shot! 

VEEP was on HBO and is funny as hell. People in DC thought it was the accurate DC show because of how goofy and dumb the people in power are. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

It's this sentence Quaker...

Exactly. 

Well, nobody should be too shocked about eating domesticated animals when one of the Haitian warlords eats humans lol 

(it's a joke, so don't get too wound up and pretend that your skin is melting off while being a trope yourself)

The alleged affidavit. 

Is it a hoax? Will we ever know? Questions being sent to a presidential candidate has happened before with Donna Brazil and Hillary Clinton, so I don't think the idea of it is far fetched. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I never ever watched that show. My time for tv was mainly for football and AHS. I dropped the satellite service because it was stupid to pay $200/month for something I only used around 3 months a year.

Also, I had thought that we'd never hear from Dick Cheney again and then he rises from his crypt to endorse Kamala. I tell you, she should have been screaming from the rooftops "Leave me alone foul beast, the power of Christ compels you!". But... she didn't. That woman was excessively thankful. 

I actually thought that the paradigm shift between the right and left would take years or decades to complete once it became obvious what was happening. But, I couldn't be more wrong. Once that ball started rolling it took off like a shot! 

When I think about it, the whole paradigm shift probably can be partially (or mostly) attributed to one or two things on each side.

The Ds: the combination of focusing more on identity politics than the working class AND how the party sets things up so they get their preferred candidate on the ticket.

The Rs: how Trump essentially took over the party.

Makes it a "grass greener on other side of the fence" for a lot of the more moderate (ie: sane) types in either party. Who knows? Maybe one day, all those people will realize the grass sucks on both sides of the fence and band together to create a better party that can run shit while the progs and MAGAs can slap fight each other into the irrelevancy both deserve. Probably not, but one can dream!

posted by Heretic

When I think about it, the whole paradigm shift probably can be partially (or mostly) attributed to one or two things on each side.

The Ds: the combination of focusing more on identity politics than the working class AND how the party sets things up so they get their preferred candidate on the ticket.

The Rs: how Trump essentially took over the party.

Makes it a "grass greener on other side of the fence" for a lot of the more moderate (ie: sane) types in either party. Who knows? Maybe one day, all those people will realize the grass sucks on both sides of the fence and band together to create a better party that can run shit while the progs and MAGAs can slap fight each other into the irrelevancy both deserve. Probably not, but one can dream!

I think you're moderately right in your points. There is a lot of truth in them. Where I differ is not the points but I'd add to them.

Dems: I definitely think that "muh orange man bad!" played a huge role in it. People just let that mantra infect their minds wayyyyyy more than they should have and they just lost it.  Also, in the economic sense, that shift has been playing out for decades, since around '98. During all the time since then, the Dems have been moving away from populism and moving towards constant war and statism, with an obese measure of authoritarianism. 

Republicans: I sometimes wonder if Trump just wasn't the face of a populist movement that's been building. The Tea Party was, at its core, populism. Trump came with that economic message at a time when Hillary was running and people just instinctually shrunk back from everything that she represented. As I've said before, populism was the right move, but I'm not sure that Trump was the right or better person to do it.

Green grass: I think the grass is greener on both sides because they share the same cesspit.

Relevancy: I agree. They both need a belt taken to their asses and stood in the corner indefinitely.

Bonus: When Tulsi Gabbard first came onto the scene I thought she was a kook. But over time I've listened to her in long form, read up on her record and since been totally swayed by her. I really hope she runs in 2028 because I'd vote for her in a minute.

This is one of her older stances as DA in California, but do you think any part of Kamala still wants this?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

It's this sentence Quaker...

I hate to defend QO, because normally he is completely off the rails.

But MANY other countries consider cats and dogs as food. Maybe QO is just ignorant of which countries do and do not.

Well, you probably could’ve provided a better defense or something else because that was an ignorant comment. Eating  cats and dogs is more of an Asian thing anyway. 

I’ve been watching the thread and will tell you I have extensive knowledge about the Haitian community in Springfield. I’ve been working as a consultant for some remodelers and builders there rehabbing old, houses, especially for them, part of this job is recruiting people to do it and especially from the Haitian community I typically don’t even call them Haitian . They call themselves Deasporia or “bones” in Creoleis a frame of reference for you guys.  Overall, these are good people. I have not found any of them to be undocumented so far. They are political refugees that have asylum.

 They call themselves Diaspora and speak Creole. As with any group, you will have a percentage of homeless people and drunks and druggies, but it’s not disproportionate by any means. For the most part, these are proud, hard-working people that actually think of themselves to be in paradise if you would. I am a better person for meeting and assisting them. Enough for now, the cannabis calls.

posted by Devils Advocate

Eating  cats and dogs is more of an Asian thing anyway. 

posted by Devils Advocate

Well, you probably could’ve provided a better defense or something else because that was an ignorant comment. Eating  cats and dogs is more of an Asian thing anyway. 

I’ve been watching the thread and will tell you I have extensive knowledge about the Haitian community in Springfield. I’ve been working as a consultant for some remodelers and builders there rehabbing old, houses, especially for them, part of this job is recruiting people to do it and especially from the Haitian community I typically don’t even call them Haitian . They call themselves Deasporia or “bones” in Creoleis a frame of reference for you guys.  Overall, these are good people. I have not found any of them to be undocumented so far. They are political refugees that have asylum.

 They call themselves Diaspora and speak Creole. As with any group, you will have a percentage of homeless people and drunks and druggies, but it’s not disproportionate by any means. For the most part, these are proud, hard-working people that actually think of themselves to be in paradise if you would. I am a better person for meeting and assisting them. Enough for now, the cannabis calls.

I’m friends with Dee miller who played for osu and is from Springfield and his comments are similar to yours that the pros well outweigh the cons for this town. 

It's kinda interesting that the Haitians would use a word like "diaspora". That's definitely a word that the US college grad activist types use.

I personally have no credit card debt and haven’t for about 10 years, but 10 years ago if you promised to cap interest at 10%, u would be in. My hypocrisy only goes so far lol 

posted by CenterBHSFan

It's kinda interesting that the Haitians would use a word like "diaspora". That's definitely a word that the US college grad activist types use.

They probably actually talk to actual Haitians lol 

posted by geeblock

They probably actually talk to actual Haitians lol 

Yeah. Glad you caught on! 

*thumbs up*

Doesn't look like the debate impacted polls, really at all.

GOP candidate in NC is flaming out so badly it could hurt the Repub ticket there, potentially swinging the WH, House and Senate to the Dems.

Seems like Trump is getting desperate.  Now he's promising to reinstate SALT.  Which I can get behind that!  But, of course, it's reinstated if the Trump tax cuts are allowed to expire next year.

MAGA guy in office next door was explaining to me this morning that Mentor High School has litter boxes for kids that identify as cats.  I thought he was kidding, but after asking him a couple of questions, I realized he is 100% all-in on this.  WTF?  Is this something new?  Are there people that actually believe this?

Why won't Kamala do a FOX news debate?

I realize that her best friend isn't an executive at FOX. But if she wants to present strength as a female candidate, them it shouldn't matter where the debate is, yeah? 

Trump went into enemy territory by accepting the ABC debate, so to match that courage, she should do one at FOX imo.

Be strong, Kamala!

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

MAGA guy in office next door was explaining to me this morning that Mentor High School has litter boxes for kids that identify as cats.  I thought he was kidding, but after asking him a couple of questions, I realized he is 100% all-in on this.  WTF?  Is this something new?  Are there people that actually believe this?

Tell your buddy he must be behind the times. I remember hearing that particular notion a year or two ago (probably not Mentor, but some school(s)), so maybe he needs to buy a premium subscription to Conspiracy Theories For Big Dummies instead of just getting by with the basic. Gotta hop on this shit when it comes out!