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CenterBHSFan

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Sat, Sep 14, 2024 8:12 PM

After the debate MSNBC also were saying that Trump's claim about threatening the leader of the taliban leader was suspect because Abdul Ghani Baradar  didn't exist and they said the leader of the taliban was somebody else.

From 2020:

https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-says-he-had-very-good-talk-with-taliban-leader/30467098.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Ghani_Baradar

MSNBC is turning out to be the worst with factual information. 

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geeblock

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Sat, Sep 14, 2024 10:04 PM

From one of my former college fraternity brothers. 

CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 11:12 AM

And Mark Cuban on CNN saying that Kamala Harris has called him to get an idea of how to tax wealthy people/business owners.

LMFAO!

gut

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 12:07 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

And Mark Cuban on CNN saying that Kamala Harris has called him to get an idea of how to tax wealthy people/business owners.

LMFAO!

That's likely just so she can claim they consulted with business leaders in crafting the policy.

It's been tried before in a few places, all failures I think, so there are methods already out there.  Finding one that works, though, will be tricky.

Problem with public companies, like someone like Musk, is it could require them to sell a bunch of shares to pay a tax bill, eventually losing control as their ownership stake gets reduced every year.  Far more difficult for private companies - they'd have to find private equity or individual investors to buy equity, likely at a pretty steep discount. 

It also isn't really necessary.  The gubmit will get its "fair share" when you die.  So just eliminate the various loopholes and tax dodges that people might use to get around the inheritance tax.

Just a tired old deflection when the question arises "how will you pay for all this new spending you propose"?  Why, increase taxes on the rich, of course.


I'd also point out these promises not to raise taxes on people making less than $400k are probably BS.  You might be able to make that claim on a very simple return with no itemized deductions and exemptions.  AMT is entrapping more and more people every year.  And if you eliminate SALT, you'll be raising taxes on people making well less than $400k.

CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 2:04 PM
posted by gut

That's likely just so she can claim they consulted with business leaders in crafting the policy.

It's been tried before in a few places, all failures I think, so there are methods already out there.  Finding one that works, though, will be tricky.

Problem with public companies, like someone like Musk, is it could require them to sell a bunch of shares to pay a tax bill, eventually losing control as their ownership stake gets reduced every year.

I've always thought the same thing. Because Dems have projected that they want govt to be the ultimate company store, it's kind of hard to ignore. 

In the scenario here, they could swoop in with a placeholder to snatch up the majority?

CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 2:12 PM

Also, I'd like any Dem to describe how much money govt could take that would be it's "fair share". 

Our govt has proven time and again that it's not reliable in spending. They promise to do this, that and the other with it but then turn around and blow it all on war. I'm truly at the point where I think that after all these years, people who keep falling for this crap are just retards. 

It always reminds me of Lucy holding the football telling Charlie Brown that she will hold the ball still and then when he goes to kick she pulls it away and he falls on his back.

gut

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 2:33 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

I've always thought the same thing. Because Dems have projected that they want govt to be the ultimate company store, it's kind of hard to ignore.

Progressives don't understand economics, or at least ignore it when it's inconvenient.

Govt nationalizing an industry likely results in one of two long-term outcomes: They become inefficient and uncompetitive and go out of business, or all the workers' wage gains (maybe 5-10% initially) are eventually eroded by waste and inefficiency.  If you're 5 years from retirement, the average worker might net $20k total after tax.  But if you're early in your career, you're probably worse-off in the long run.

There's just not an unlimited pile of money the 1% make in wages every year (and Dems would spend 10X that amount).  Their wealth accumulation is simply the power of compounded returns, probably doubling their wealth every 7 years or more.  So over 20 years, their investments grow 8-fold.  The myth is if the 1% made 1/10th of what they do, that everyone else would be able to grow wealth.  No, assuming they invested that $20k the $160k extra (ignoring inflation) would make retirement more comfortable, but that's not nearly as significant as it sounds

geeblock

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 5:56 PM
posted by gut

Progressives don't understand economics, or at least ignore it when it's inconvenient.

Govt nationalizing an industry likely results in one of two long-term outcomes: They become inefficient and uncompetitive and go out of business, or all the workers' wage gains (maybe 5-10% initially) are eventually eroded by waste and inefficiency.  If you're 5 years from retirement, the average worker might net $20k total after tax.  But if you're early in your career, you're probably worse-off in the long run.

There's just not an unlimited pile of money the 1% make in wages every year (and Dems would spend 10X that amount).  Their wealth accumulation is simply the power of compounded returns, probably doubling their wealth every 7 years or more.  So over 20 years, their investments grow 8-fold.  The myth is if the 1% made 1/10th of what they do, that everyone else would be able to grow wealth.  No, assuming they invested that $20k the $160k extra (ignoring inflation) would make retirement more comfortable, but that's not nearly as significant as it sounds

Sounds better than tariffs imo 


CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 6:32 PM

I've never been opposed to re-kickstarting our own industry. Why can't we build our own cars again? Why are we importing meds, can't we make our own? There is nothing wrong with having a robust industry/economy. 

CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 6:34 PM
posted by geeblock

Sounds better than tariffs imo 


They can't be too bad, since the Dems kept Trump's in place.

gut

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 6:45 PM
posted by geeblock

Sounds better than tariffs imo 


Sure, destroy the economy sounds better than 1.5% inflation from tariffs.

Not surprised you think that.

geeblock

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 7:22 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

I've never been opposed to re-kickstarting our own industry. Why can't we build our own cars again? Why are we importing meds, can't we make our own? There is nothing wrong with having a robust industry/economy. 

I agree with this but we can’t compete with countries who pay 88 cents an hour. I’m guilty of buying the 70 inch tv from china because it’s 500 cheaper. U can pick the product and I’m probably guilty as are most people. I am willing to do better. I would pay more for American made products. 


CenterBHSFan

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Sun, Sep 15, 2024 7:26 PM

Well, I also think that most people forgot what pre-NAFTA was like, if they even knew.

CenterBHSFan

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 11:52 AM

RFKjr now being investigated over the whale head. Of course.

There is just way too much whale carcass exploitation that goes in and it's time somebody goes to prison for it!

QuakerOats

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 12:16 PM

.........but, but there not weaponizing federal agencies.  Right?

sportchampps

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 2:02 PM

Currently in Milos Greece. We have made pretty good friends with our bartender at the resort as we have been the only two couples to close down the bar the last couple nights. As we were talking and doin g a couple shots with him he asked us if he could ask us a political question about America. My wife and I lean conservative while our friends lean democrat. So the waiter says How do you guys feel with your leader. Our friends were like yeah Trump sucks and the waiters like no I’m talking about Biden. Everything they show on TV in Greece you can tell he’s not right in the mind. Who would vote for him. Our friends were surprised to see this is how Biden is actually viewed outside the US and especially outside NYC where they live. 

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CenterBHSFan

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 9:26 PM

So an ABC whistleblower has signed an affidavit that Kamala was given the questions for the debate ahead of time?

Can this woman /ever/ stand on her own two feet???

Ironman92

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 9:30 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

So an ABC whistleblower has signed an affidavit that Kamala was given the questions for the debate ahead of time?

Can this woman /ever/ stand on her own two feet???

No but they don’t have to. Everything hidden behind closed doors.


Great country with two Mt Rushmore type presidential candidates. Both side should be so proud.


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CenterBHSFan

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Mon, Sep 16, 2024 10:00 PM
posted by Ironman92


Great country with two Mt Rushmore type presidential candidates. Both side should be so proud.


Right?!

queencitybuckeye

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 7:33 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

So an ABC whistleblower has signed an affidavit that Kamala was given the questions for the debate ahead of time?

Can this woman /ever/ stand on her own two feet???

In what court was this affidavit filed and in what legal action?

CenterBHSFan

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 9:55 AM
posted by queencitybuckeye

In what court was this affidavit filed and in what legal action?

That's a really good question today, because now the medias are calling it into question and ABC is denying it. The document is now being publicized and I don't see where there is much to it really. 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/abc-responds-to-whistleblowers-rigging-charges-during-presidential-debate-we-stuck-to-the-debate-guidelines/articleshow/113418370.cms


QuakerOats

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 11:13 AM

venn diagram trump kamala dodging bullets interviews


QuakerOats

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 11:23 AM
posted by queencitybuckeye

In what court was this affidavit filed and in what legal action?


Affidavit's don't need to be filed in a court, although they can be as part of a case.  They do need to be notarized to be 'official', which this one was. 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 11:46 AM

Anyone hear about the Portage County Sheriff asking residents to write down the addresses of people who have "Harris" signs in their yards?  I can imagine the reaction on here were this the other way around.

CenterBHSFan

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Tue, Sep 17, 2024 11:56 AM

How much of an impact are Muslim voters in this election?