Im interested in all OHIO VALLEY teams . I was just asking fairwoodking a question and he answered it by say Morgantown has the credentials. The way i take that is if you don't have any state tittles you shouldn't be able 2 play on the same field as teams that have them.

bridgeport;383023 wrote:Im interested in all OHIO VALLEY teams . I was just asking fairwoodking a question and he answered it by say Morgantown has the credentials. The way i take that is if you don't have any state tittles you shouldn't be able 2 play on the same field as teams that have them.

No, I never said that. I was just giving a reason why people would want to see Big Red play Morgantown. The point of the issue is that we have a contract to play Morgantown week five. We will either play them in M-town on Friday or in Harding Stadium as part of a rally on Saturday, but we will play them. As I also pointed out, Morgantown was a last minute replacement for Warren Harding.

homefield;382344 wrote:No offense but Big Red is not on the same plain as Iggy or Don Bosco either.We heard last year about how you could compete with Iggy and now you have them coming to your homefield and you want to play Morgantown,What a joke this game will be.You will bring in all the media for the Iggy game and you will play morgantown and make it out as a big powerhouse opponent.

Interesting.... As if Big Red has never proved itself against an 'elite,' big-time program? I remember people saying last year that there as no way that we could compete with a legitimate Class AAAA WPIAL school. Then, when we dominated Woodland Hills, everyone said that they would be lucky to go 4-6. Turns out, we were the only team to beat them until the PA quarterfinals. They were WPIAL Class AAAA Champs, stomping Gateway in the Final.

But, yeah... Big Red is all talk.

We don't 'need' to play Don Bosco or Iggy to prove ourselves as an elite team in Ohio and the country. It has been proven many, many times over the years. You can choose to ignore those instances, but it doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

If I can see the games, i'll watch all of them. I went down to Bridgeport a couple of years ago to see the Rosecrans/Bridgeport game on a Saturday just to do something. I'll take a football game in any form.

Last year at the Rally In The Valley, I was there for kickoff of the Akron Buchtel/Wheeling Central game at 10am, and was there until the final whistle of the Bellaire/John Marshall game around 1:30am. Had fun the whole day. Was only in the casino for about a half hour near halftime of the Ursuline/PCC game. Well worth it. Had a great time watching 5 games in one day. Just wish this event had more than three games. Oh well. Hope my schedule works out that I'd be able to see it. If Big Red plays in the Week 2 Rally in Western PA, I'll definitely be able to see it.

All day football... why exactly are you guys complaining?

Sykotyk

A week or two ago we were talking on this blog about how tough Big Red's schedule was last year and that the team got beaten up during the Woodland Hills game. Several posters suggested that we needed a lighter schedule.

If we play Inkster and a WPIAL team back to back, and then play Massillon and Ursuline back to back, this year's schedule will be tougher than last year's. As a fan, I look forward to watching these games. But do you think we will end up with a lot of injuries again?

Fairwood,I don't want to offend you or anything cause when you move back I would like to meet you.That being said before you made that last post did you pop a pain pill or something.

snyds113;383629 wrote:Fairwood,I don't want to offend you or anything cause when you move back I would like to meet you.That being said before you made that last post did you pop a pain pill or something.

What did I say???

Be nice to me. I'm on disability.

A little off subject here but I asked this in the baseball forum and got no reply. I seen on espn that Coastal Carolina is still in the playoffs. Does anyone have any updates on how bigreds Stevie Davis is doing? You can answer this in the baseball forum if you like.

RedBlackAttack;383263 wrote:Interesting.... As if Big Red has never proved itself against an 'elite,' big-time program? I remember people saying last year that there as no way that we could compete with a legitimate Class AAAA WPIAL school. Then, when we dominated Woodland Hills, everyone said that they would be lucky to go 4-6. Turns out, we were the only team to beat them until the PA quarterfinals. They were WPIAL Class AAAA Champs, stomping Gateway in the Final.

But, yeah... Big Red is all talk.

We don't 'need' to play Don Bosco or Iggy to prove ourselves as an elite team in Ohio and the country. It has been proven many, many times over the years. You can choose to ignore those instances, but it doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

You may be an elite team in the valley and a good team in your division in the state but you are not even thought of across the country unless you talk to the doormats you play from New York and Washington DC.

homefield;383890 wrote:You may be an elite team in the valley and a good team in your division in the state but you are not even thought of across the country unless you talk to the doormats you play from New York and Washington DC.

Then explain how it is that Big Red football was mentioned in the Seattle Times recently. I can prove it because I saved the article.

Can you type what was said in the article please?

FairwoodKing;383923 wrote:Then explain how it is that Big Red football was mentioned in the Seattle Times recently. I can prove it because I saved the article.

True. Big Red is "known" amongst many who follow HS football on the nationwide stage. That being said, to claim that they're considered a national "elite" is ridiculous.

Fish82:

Who said you could leave the MVL Forum and stir up trouble here?

LOL....they gave me a hall pass.

What's funny is that Woodland Hills is mentioned as a "powerhouse" on the National Boards, but Big Red shuts them out on a neutral field and somehow now it is "ridiculous" to be thought of in the same breath??

Really though, besides a handful of very large private schools, who is considered an "elilte" team in the nation on a yearly basis?? For all the hype that Iggy, Moeller, Elder, and St X get in Ohio, Hilliard Davidson has done more recently than they have. Most of it is based on popularity, since you don't know how high school teams will be from year to year.

ManO'War;383965 wrote:What's funny is that Woodland Hills is mentioned as a "powerhouse" on the National Boards, but Big Red shuts them out on a neutral field and somehow now it is "ridiculous" to be thought of in the same breath??

Really though, besides a handful of very large private schools, who is considered an "elilte" team in the nation on a yearly basis?? For all the hype that Iggy, Moeller, Elder, and St X get in Ohio, Hilliard Davidson has done more recently than they have. Most of it is based on popularity, since you don't know how high school teams will be from year to year.

Simple. Woodland Hills isn't considered a national powerhouse. Regional powerhouse? Absolutely. The last time they finished a season nationally ranked was 2001/2002. If you could point me to their appearances in anyone's final Top 25 in recent years or any of the national boards where they're mentioned as such, I'll gladly check it out.

I'll gladly stipulate that it's virtually impossible to legitimately pick a national top 25 in any given year. My position on the national boards has always been that there's always a team out there that no one ever heard of that would kick the crap out of half the top 25 in any given year. Could Big Red be that team? Without question. But, until you actually schedule the games and beat teams like Bosco/Prattville/STAQ/Lakeland/Hoover or Iggy/X/Glenville/Davidson et al, I don't see how you can expect to be mentioned in the same breath as those teams.

Had you beaten Inkster for example, and Iggy hadn't just finished completely stomping a mudhole in them, that would have been a win on the "elite" level. Good Counsel is in the early top 25...had you been able to make that game happen, it would have been a good one. Like it or not, that's how the game is played.

Who's "Top 25" are you going with? I have a problem with any poll that Doug Huff out of Wheeling puts together, since he has a habit of putting the top AAA team in West Virginia in it...which makes it bogus right off the bat, since realistically they wouldn't be a top 250 team in the nation.

My other problem is that teams like Hoover Alabama, who play in relatively weak and unpopulated states are always in someone's top 25....same with the Carolina teams.

I just think that there are a lot of teams that could be considered "elite" teams, but are not a "sexy pick", like HD, or in the large school classification (especially true in Ohio).

ManO'War;384109 wrote:Who's "Top 25" are you going with? I have a problem with any poll that Doug Huff out of Wheeling puts together, since he has a habit of putting the top AAA team in West Virginia in it...which makes it bogus right off the bat, since realistically they wouldn't be a top 250 team in the nation.

My other problem is that teams like Hoover Alabama, who play in relatively weak and unpopulated states are always in someone's top 25....same with the Carolina teams.

I just think that there are a lot of teams that could be considered "elite" teams, but are not a "sexy pick", like HD, or in the large school classification (especially true in Ohio).

I will agree that the top teams in west virginia would not be ranked in the top 250 in the nation so when it comes time to smack Morgantown around don't try and make everyone think that you just destroyed a big powerhouse team from West Virginia.

You will never be considered in the same league as any of the top 25 teams in the nation until you step out of that little protective bubble called harding stadium and play some top 25 teams and as for the teams like Moeller,Iggy,Glennville,Mooney,Cin Princeton, and Colerain,I am sure you have a phone at your school that you could use to call any of the real powerhouses of Ohio and schedule a game but you would have to leave your so called death valley and your hometown refs and play some away games like the real powerhouses do.

I will always say that you are one of the elite teams in the valley but as you move around the state you are just a good team in your division and when you branch out across the nation you are just another high school that has a football team.

So I guess Massillon, who is a D1 region champion, is not a real powerhouse??

We have also played Glenville and Mooney recently.

Like I said before...it's amazing how much respect Big Red gets the farther away from the Ohio Valley you get...but the jealous haters around here always try to bring us down to their level.

ManO'War;384109 wrote:Who's "Top 25" are you going with? I have a problem with any poll that Doug Huff out of Wheeling puts together, since he has a habit of putting the top AAA team in West Virginia in it...which makes it bogus right off the bat, since realistically they wouldn't be a top 250 team in the nation.

My other problem is that teams like Hoover Alabama, who play in relatively weak and unpopulated states are always in someone's top 25....same with the Carolina teams.

I just think that there are a lot of teams that could be considered "elite" teams, but are not a "sexy pick", like HD, or in the large school classification (especially true in Ohio).

Anyone's. The only mention I can find of Woodland Hills was in the 2001/2002 USA Today. Agreed on Doug Huff...he was an innovator at the time, but I think times have passed him by a bit.

IMO, the most credible national polls currently (in order) are:

1. PrepNation
2. MaxPreps
3. USA Today
4. Rise/ESPN

I would normally agree on Hoover (and Prattville for that matter) but having seen them both play live in Cincy, I can say that both were pretty damn salty, at least in 2007/2008 respectively. DeMatha was preseason top 10 in 2007, but were less than impressive in real life. Byrnes was less than impressive both times I watched them, but they gave STAQ all they wanted last year, so who knows?

I'd go after Bosco if I were you. They don't mind traveling, and IMO would be a highly winnable game for Big Red.

homefield;384140 wrote:I will agree that the top teams in west virginia would not be ranked in the top 250 in the nation so when it comes time to smack Morgantown around don't try and make everyone think that you just destroyed a big powerhouse team from West Virginia.

You will never be considered in the same league as any of the top 25 teams in the nation until you step out of that little protective bubble called harding stadium and play some top 25 teams and as for the teams like Moeller,Iggy,Glennville,Mooney,Cin Princeton, and Colerain,I am sure you have a phone at your school that you could use to call any of the real powerhouses of Ohio and schedule a game but you would have to leave your so called death valley and your hometown refs and play some away games like the real powerhouses do.

I will always say that you are one of the elite teams in the valley but as you move around the state you are just a good team in your division and when you branch out across the nation you are just another high school that has a football team.

Princeton? Dude...that's so 1988.

fish82;384160 wrote:Princeton? Dude...that's so 1988.

Yea, that's what I was thinking, lol.

Maybe we could bring CAPE up too!

fish82;384158 wrote:Anyone's. The only mention I can find of Woodland Hills was in the 2001/2002 USA Today. Agreed on Doug Huff...he was an innovator at the time, but I think times have passed him by a bit.

IMO, the most credible national polls currently (in order) are:

1. PrepNation
2. MaxPreps
3. USA Today
4. Rise/ESPN

I would normally agree on Hoover (and Prattville for that matter) but having seen them both play live in Cincy, I can say that both were pretty damn salty, at least in 2007/2008 respectively. DeMatha was preseason top 10 in 2007, but were less than impressive in real life. Byrnes was less than impressive both times I watched them, but they gave STAQ all they wanted last year, so who knows?

I'd go after Bosco if I were you. They don't mind traveling, and IMO would be a highly winnable game for Big Red.

That is sort of my point...it's all about matchups, so while all of those regulars in the Top 25 are good teams yearly, it's not like they are unbeatable. There are other teams out there that have better teams in a given year, but the same teams are always rehashed on the national scene.

ManO'War;384166 wrote:That is sort of my point...it's all about matchups, so while all of those regulars in the Top 25 are good teams yearly, it's not like they are unbeatable. There are other teams out there that have better teams in a given year, but the same teams are always rehashed on the national scene.

No disagreement....unless the program falters for whatever reason, (Southlake Carroll as an example) once you're "in the club," you're pretty much in for life...it only takes one "national" game a year to keep you there.

ManO'War;384156 wrote:So I guess Massillon, who is a D1 region champion, is not a real powerhouse??

We have also played Glenville and Mooney recently.

Like I said before...it's amazing how much respect Big Red gets the farther away from the Ohio Valley you get...but the jealous haters around here always try to bring us down to their level.

Before the Massillon game all the Big Red fans were talking about them being over-rated and then when you beat them they were back to being a powerhouse but who cares about that game because i do think you do have a good program and football team but not the elite status that you think.

What happened when you played Mooney recently?

You need to schedule some teams during the regular season and not hope to meet them in the playoffs and maybe get lucky and beat them that one time to advance to the next round.

The only respect you get outside of the valley is from past graduates that have moved from the valley and the doormats you schedule from NY and DC and lets not forget the team from canada a couple of years back that had to learn how to play with 11 players on the field because they played in some league that played 6 vs 6 or 7 vs 7 or maybe it was 9 vs 9.