I Wear Pants wrote:

HitsRus wrote: The elitist left just doesn't get it. Their healthcare plan is good for America! Just ask them.
So when they ram thru their elitist agenda, they can't understand that some people get upset. The back room deals, the outright bribe's, taking congressmen for a ride on Air Force 1, strongarm Chicago style politcal tactics, ignoring the concerns of a lot of passionate people...none of that upsets them. But a few bricks get thrown and they get self righteous.
Maybe they need to look in the mirror and acknowledge their own complicity.

No way in hell do I condone violence , either implicitly or explicitly.
But really, if you don't want to deal with it, then stop doing the things that really, really piss people off...like taking their money and giving it to someone else, telling them how to live their lives, or jeopardising the their economic well being by irresponsible fiscal policy.

What's awesome is that this health care bill pisses people off more than the Iraq War, the continuing Afghanistan War, the Patriot Act, passing tax cuts while increasing spending, and letting the financial system get to the point it did pisses them off.

You see...you don't get it. It's not that it pisses off people more....it's the long line of transgressions you have listed. The people are talking...and the government is not listening...in fact they are completely ignoring them.

Footwedge wrote:

Yes indeed...this is quite remarkable. Getting frothy mouthed and throwing bricks through windows on a bill nobody has read or understands......but nary a peep on the human slaughter in Mesopotamia. It is quite remarkable to me as well.

I believe that criticism continues today it's just old news and has been eclipsed by the current story.

HitsRus wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote:

HitsRus wrote: The elitist left just doesn't get it. Their healthcare plan is good for America! Just ask them.
So when they ram thru their elitist agenda, they can't understand that some people get upset. The back room deals, the outright bribe's, taking congressmen for a ride on Air Force 1, strongarm Chicago style politcal tactics, ignoring the concerns of a lot of passionate people...none of that upsets them. But a few bricks get thrown and they get self righteous.
Maybe they need to look in the mirror and acknowledge their own complicity.

No way in hell do I condone violence , either implicitly or explicitly.
But really, if you don't want to deal with it, then stop doing the things that really, really piss people off...like taking their money and giving it to someone else, telling them how to live their lives, or jeopardising the their economic well being by irresponsible fiscal policy.

What's awesome is that this health care bill pisses people off more than the Iraq War, the continuing Afghanistan War, the Patriot Act, passing tax cuts while increasing spending, and letting the financial system get to the point it did pisses them off.

You see...you don't get it. It's not that it pisses off people more....it's the long line of transgressions you have listed. The people are talking...and the government is not listening...in fact they are completely ignoring them.

No, it does piss people off more. Of the "budget hawks" that I know not a one of them said anything about the tax cuts during the Bush presidency which came with the start of the war(s) and expansion of Medicare (both very expensive things). But they all of a sudden flipped the fuck out when any spending was done by this administration.

Also, Majorspark, there is no resistance left to fight us because we terrorized the shit out of Iraq.

I Wear Pants wrote: Also, Majorspark, there is no resistance left to fight us because we terrorized the shit out of Iraq.

War is quite terrorizing. Is that not how wars are won though? Installing such a fear in your enemy and those that support them that their continued resistance is a futile effort that will utimately lead to more pain and suffering on their part. There is nothing nice about war.

believer wrote:

Footwedge wrote:A bunch of bricks were thrown through windows of Congressmen's offices today.

I wonder if any of those bricks were smeared with shit to underscore the anger at the passing this socialist piece of shit legislation?

Broken windows will be the least of congressional Dem worries when November rolls around.

Kind of like the anger when schools were integrated.

The Tea Party is nothing but the Klan in a new outfit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x414606

They even let the N-bomb slip but the Tea party is nothing new, it is just the Ku Klux Klan reemerging and toning down the racial parts and going after gays with the blatant hatred.

BCSbunk wrote: Kind of like the anger when schools were integrated.

The Tea Party is nothing but the Klan in a new outfit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x414606

They even let the N-bomb slip but the Tea party is nothing new, it is just the Ku Klux Klan reemerging and toning down the racial parts and going after gays with the blatant hatred.

What a joke. Textbook example of political demagoguery. If a minister of propaganda position ever opens up in the goverment, you may want to apply. You appear to have the necessary skills.

majorspark wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: Also, Majorspark, there is no resistance left to fight us because we terrorized the shit out of Iraq.

War is quite terrorizing. Is that not how wars are won though? Installing such a fear in your enemy and those that support them that their continued resistance is a futile effort that will utimately lead to more pain and suffering on their part. There is nothing nice about war.

I think the difference is the people that have been terrorized are the very people we were supposedly trying to help, the citizens of Iraq.

Our involvement has brought wackos from all over the middle east into Iraq (wackos that weren't there before). Now the country is a mess (political turmoil, religious factions at odds, which wasn't prevelant when Saddam was in power and suicide bombings).

The U.S. didn't install a fear in the people that are resisting the U.S., they attracted them to the country. The people that fear the U.S. are the same people that we were "liberating".

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Kind of like the anger when schools were integrated.

The Tea Party is nothing but the Klan in a new outfit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x414606

They even let the N-bomb slip but the Tea party is nothing new, it is just the Ku Klux Klan reemerging and toning down the racial parts and going after gays with the blatant hatred.

What a joke. Textbook example of political demagoguery. If a minister of propaganda position ever opens up in the goverment, you may want to apply. You appear to have the necessary skills.

No joke. The correlation is there. When you are outside hatred you can see it easily.

I wish I had a dollar for every n-bomb dropped about our President and how we are turning commie and the god-dammed (Gay slur) are ruining our country.

The Klan has never went away it just went underground and has emerged with a new outfit and new message of hatred.

They now call themselves the Tea Party.

dwccrew wrote: I think the difference is the people that have been terrorized are the very people we were supposedly trying to help, the citizens of Iraq.

I would not deny that some of those we intended to help were terrorized. That is war. The innocent suffer along side the guilty. That is why war is so terrible.

dwccrew wrote: Our involvement has brought wackos from all over the middle east into Iraq (wackos that weren't there before). Now the country is a mess (political turmoil, religious factions at odds, which wasn't prevelant when Saddam was in power and suicide bombings).

Saddam terrorized the population. Decent was met with an iron fist or death. Political turmoil, religious factions at odds, all come with a free government. We have had our share of political turmoil, religious groups at odd, and yes bombins as well (except our bombers prefer not to die with their bombs).

dwccrew wrote: The U.S. didn't install a fear in the people that are resisting the U.S., they attracted them to the country. The people that fear the U.S. are the same people that we were "liberating".

They installed enough fear that there are not enough left willing to raise arms against us. I do not believe the average Iraqi fears the US like they did Saddam. I think they are quite aware we are not the same people.

The Tea Party is the new Klan?!?

Oh gawwddddd!!!! ::: rolls eyes :::

Here's a pretty cogent look at all this hand wringing going on from the left because of the "hate speech" and such...

Thursday, March 25, 2010

More Bottled Piety [Victor Davis Hanson]

This week’s talking point is the sudden danger of new right-wing violence, and the inflammatory push-back against health care. I’m sorry, but all this concern is a day late and a dollar short. The subtext is really one of class — right-wing radio talk-show hosts, Glenn Beck idiots, and crass tea-party yokels are foaming at the mouth and dangerous to progressives. In contrast, write a book in which you muse about killing George Bush, and its Knopf imprint proves it is merely sophisticated literary speculation; do a docudrama about killing George Bush, and it will win a Toronto film prize for its artistic value rather than shock from the liberal community about over-the-top discourse.

Socialism and totalitarianism are tough charges from the hard right, but they seem to me about as (or as not) over-the-top as Al Gore screaming “digital brown-shirts” or John Glenn comparing the opposition to Nazis. When 3,000 were murdered in Manhattan, and Michael Moore suggested Bin Laden had wrongly targeted a blue state, I don’t think that repulsive remark prevented liberal politicians from attending his anti-Bush film premiere. Yes, let us have a tough debate over the role of government and the individual, but spare us the melodrama, the bottled piety, and the wounded-fawn hurt.

Like it or not, between 2001 and 2008, the “progressive” community redefined what is acceptable and not acceptable in political and public discourse about their elected officials. Slurs like “Nazi” and “fascist” and “I hate” were no longer the old street-theater derangement of the 1960s, but were elevated to high-society novels, films, political journalism, and vein-bulging outbursts of our elites. If one were to take the word "Bush" and replace it with "Obama" in the work of a Nicholson Baker, or director Gabriel Range, or Garrison Keillor or Jonathan Chait, or in the rhetoic of a Gore or Moore, we would be presently in a national crisis, witnessing summits on the epidemic of "hate speech."

So here we are with the age-old problem that once one destroys decorum for the sake of short-term expediency, it is very hard to restore it in any credible fashion on grounds of principle when the proverbial shoe is on the other foot. A modest suggestion: If the liberal community wishes to be more credible in its concern about contemporary extremist anti-administration rhetoric, then they might try the following: “Please, let us avoid extremism and do not fall into the same trap as Baker, Chait, Keillor, Gore, Moore, or Range when they either expressed open hatred toward their president, or speculated about the assassination of their president, or compared their president to a fascist. We must disown such extremism, past and present."

[url]http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTc3NDA5YjE2NzUyZmQ3OWRiOGUyNDVmNjJmNDJhMjg=/url]

^^^Great piece there. I'm sure it will elicit logical, sane, rational, and kind responses from our liberal posters.

jhay78 wrote: ^^^Great piece there. I'm sure it will elicit logical, sane, rational, and kind responses from our liberal posters.

Yeah I'm sure it won't be too long before Victor Davis Hanson is labeled a "Grand Wizard"!

:dodgy:

BCSbunk wrote: No joke. The correlation is there. When you are outside hatred you can see it easily.

That is why I can see it easily. I am able to separate the sheep from the goats on both sides. Your hatred for a political movement has blinded yours.

BCSbunk wrote: I wish I had a dollar for every n-bomb dropped about our President and how we are turning commie and the god-dammed (Gay slur) are ruining our country.

You sure got those opposed to the current government's political ideas figured out. The funny thing is you do not realize that you are doing the same thing as some of the radical nutbags on the right. They paint Obama and the democrats as nutbag commies. You paint their political opponents as racist, bigoted, homophobic, klansmen.

BCSbunk wrote: The Klan has never went away it just went underground and has emerged with a new outfit and new message of hatred.

They now call themselves the Tea Party.

LOL. Its funny watching those on the left melt down and produce the same bullshit as the nuts on the right. Pot meet kettle.

BCSBunk's post is an example of what I believe to be more factually correct than the orginal article--- The Democratic Party has been hijacked, particularly at its leadership positions.

The party has grown increasingly less tolerant of people whose ideas do not mesh with theirs. They have a distrust of people of faith, people who either have either personally succeeded in business or whose family has succeeded, the men and women in the armed services, people who live in rural and smaller urban areas (including all of the midwest outside of Chicago and all of the south) and I've noticed a cold shoulder being thrown at our allies in Isreal and championship of Palestinian causes. Any person who questions their agendas are immediately caused a racist, a homophobe, a bible thumper, greedy or all of the above.

The people who have bought into the Democratic Party machine are generally the same as it always has been; young college students, minorities, gays, artists, the type of people who like to hang out in Starbucks wearing plastic horn-rimmed-esque frame galsses. A lot of the things these people think about in their day to day life are never absolute, except for when it comes to their political beliefs and their viewpoints about conservatism.

The challenge I throw at those on the left is to seriously look at what is being fed to you from the MSM and blogs like MoveOn and the Huffington Post. Reverse the situation and see how it would apply if the "names/parties were changed". Question everything. Just because disagrees with President Obama does not mean they are racist or they want to enslave blacks again in this country. Maybe there is a valid reason for their criticism.

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: No joke. The correlation is there. When you are outside hatred you can see it easily.

That is why I can see it easily. I am able to separate the sheep from the goats on both sides. Your hatred for a political movement has blinded yours.

BCSbunk wrote: I wish I had a dollar for every n-bomb dropped about our President and how we are turning commie and the god-dammed (Gay slur) are ruining our country.

You sure got those opposed to the current government's political ideas figured out. The funny thing is you do not realize that you are doing the same thing as some of the radical nutbags on the right. They paint Obama and the democrats as nutbag commies. You paint their political opponents as racist, bigoted, homophobic, klansmen.

BCSbunk wrote: The Klan has never went away it just went underground and has emerged with a new outfit and new message of hatred.

They now call themselves the Tea Party.

LOL. Its funny watching those on the left melt down and produce the same bullshit as the nuts on the right. Pot meet kettle.

Sorry I do not hate I only speak the truth about hate groups like the Klan. Sad to see you defend such a horrendous group as them.

I do not hate the Tea party but they are dangerous and need to be called out for the similarities to the Klan.

No melt down either. Just the facts of a hate filled group that I would fight for their freedom of speech and will also call it out when I see it.

Only through education can we stop hate groups like the Tea Party.

The Tea party is not ALL conservatives just like the Klan are not ALL conservatives but the Klan and the Tea Party really need to shown for what they are and that is not relevant to a loving peaceful America.

Where gays can be open and be married to one another.

I am old enough to remember telling haters that mixed marriages are alright it will be okay. I was called a hater that I hated those haters. No I simply call out injustice when it arises.

Yes the tea party has been around a long time fighting against mixed marriages now against mixed marriages again this time gender discrimination vs Racial discrimination.

Yes discrimination of this sort is an evil on the land and the sooner the people are educated to the evils of the Tea Party and its hate group similarites the better off the country will be.

NOTE I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT ALL CONSERVATIVES

Those that speak out against hate are not hate groups your logic is flawed.

I suppose that all the civil rights marchers were really a hate group?

Well we still have civil rights marchers this time for equality for Gays.

Little Danny wrote: BCSBunk's post is an example of what I believe to be more factually correct than the orginal article--- The Democratic Party has been hijacked, particularly at its leadership positions.

The party has grown increasingly less tolerant of people whose ideas do not mesh with theirs. They have a distrust of people of faith, people who either have either personally succeeded in business or whose family has succeeded, the men and women in the armed services, people who live in rural and smaller urban areas (including all of the midwest outside of Chicago and all of the south) and I've noticed a cold shoulder being thrown at our allies in Isreal and championship of Palestinian causes. Any person who questions their agendas are immediately caused a racist, a homophobe, a bible thumper, greedy or all of the above.

The people who have bought into the Democratic Party machine are generally the same as it always has been; young college students, minorities, gays, artists, the type of people who like to hang out in Starbucks wearing plastic horn-rimmed-esque frame galsses. A lot of the things these people think about in their day to day life are never absolute, except for when it comes to their political beliefs and their viewpoints about conservatism.

The challenge I throw at those on the left is to seriously look at what is being fed to you from the MSM and blogs like MoveOn and the Huffington Post. Reverse the situation and see how it would apply if the "names/parties were changed". Question everything. Just because disagrees with President Obama does not mean they are racist or they want to enslave blacks again in this country. Maybe there is a valid reason for their criticism.

Nice strawman.

When the Tea partiers scream the N-bomb that is racism. When a conservative disagrees with policy that is not.

You are exactly the problem Frum speaks of.

Here is your beloved group of hate Klan rally? OR tea Party? Does it matter they are the same minus the hoods.

It's ironic and funny (in a pathetic way) that you can't see how you're doing exactly the same thing you're railing against.

BCSbunk wrote: Sorry I do not hate I only speak the truth about hate groups like the Klan. Sad to see you defend such a horrendous group as them.

My disagreemnt with your assessment of a political movement = I am a Klan defender. I get it now.

Well got to go now just spilled some coffee on my robe. Got to get it clean before the rally tonight.

Writerbuckeye wrote: It's ironic and funny (in a pathetic way) that you can't see how you're doing exactly the same thing you're railing against.

Isn't it though. I disagree with his broad brush of a political movement and he says I am a defender of the klan.

Writerbuckeye wrote: It's ironic and funny (in a pathetic way) that you can't see how you're doing exactly the same thing you're railing against.

I see.

People can hate all they like and when someone calls it out to try to stop it then they are the haters Okay I gotcha.

More Tea Party hate.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3033640-rachel-maddow-racist-history-embraced-by-tea-party-pt-1

Bring back literacy tests for voting. Knowing the history of literacy tests some still want to bring back the nightmare.

majorspark wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: It's ironic and funny (in a pathetic way) that you can't see how you're doing exactly the same thing you're railing against.

Isn't it though. I disagree with his broad brush of a political movement and he says I am a defender of the klan.

There is no broad brush. I clearly stated the Tea party which are NOT all conservatives.

No wonder people like Frum are running away from the Republican party.

The tea party is specific and are the Klan in different suits to which you think is okay for the hate to continue.

I posted blatant hate pics of Obama as a monkey and many more blatant racism pics. The tea party segment of the conservatives are really the Klan minus the hoods.

No broad brush at all.

BCSbunk wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: It's ironic and funny (in a pathetic way) that you can't see how you're doing exactly the same thing you're railing against.

I see.

People can hate all they like and when someone calls it out to try to stop it then they are the haters Okay I gotcha.

More Tea Party hate.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3033640-rachel-maddow-racist-history-embraced-by-tea-party-pt-1

Bring back literacy tests for voting. Knowing the history of literacy tests some still want to bring back the nightmare.

You're awesome, dude! Honest to god, this place would be boring as hell today without your stuff to read.

I posted blatant hate pics of Obama as a monkey and many more blatant racism pics. The tea party segment of the conservatives are really the Klan minus the hoods.

No broad brush at all.

This type of thing -- and much worse -- was done toward Bush for 8 years and nobody said a damn thing about it being some hate-filled movement that was going to damage the Democrat Party or threaten America.

Like it or not, it's politics as usual in this country -- and follows a trend liberals started by being allowed to openly spew their hatred toward Bush, Republicans and conservatives for 8 years.

There's NOTHING new here and there's no "movement" that is a threat to Obama or anyone else.

Writerbuckeye wrote: I posted blatant hate pics of Obama as a monkey and many more blatant racism pics. The tea party segment of the conservatives are really the Klan minus the hoods.

No broad brush at all.

This type of thing -- and much worse -- was done toward Bush for 8 years and nobody said a damn thing about it being some hate-filled movement that was going to damage the Democrat Party or threaten America.

Like it or not, it's politics as usual in this country -- and follows a trend liberals started by being allowed to openly spew their hatred toward Bush, Republicans and conservatives for 8 years.

There's NOTHING new here and there's no "movement" that is a threat to Obama or anyone else.

You have me there.

There is nothing new the Klan and that mentality has been around a long time.

The Tea party however is very new and coincedentally started when Obama became President. With the Kenyan remarks etc.

It could be a threat but will not be when the hatred is called out and our citizens can be protected.