Old Rider wrote: RR1...better to just let it rest with series62, aka bigP. Not worth your breath. He suddenly jumps back on the huddle to see what we have been discussing when this news hit the paper...and forum discussion. Seems as if he wants no more than to come on here and defend his friend, when he has nothing to defend. This thread is about ORRVILLE BASKETBALL, not Mr. Short and he is no longer affiliated with the program other than being a father of a son in the program....so Series62....if its not about this CURRENT program and you have nothing positive to say...do us a favor and ZIP IT!!!!!

Series62 wrote: I believe previous conversations by me were about the current team well before that article.

RedRider1 wrote: So what's everyone's honest opinion....do we have to win districts to call this a successful season? In the past, that's been my thought...and I guess it's the same this year.

Old Rider wrote: Smitty used to hate the seeding. He just wanted to play. If Orrville wants to win a district title, then they will have to beat a Triway or Smithville or some sleeper team. Seeds mean nothing IMO. Shrug this loss and move on. Orrville still has a rough schedule ahead of them and should be a good prep for the tourney.
Teams are gonna do their best to shut Jake and Zack down, unfortunately for us, thats where the scoring stops. We are very limited to who can shoot a consistent jumper and our guard play is so-so outside of Jake.
I hate to be negative, but I have yet to see a district championship team take the floor this year. We are too inconsistent and have only 2 guys that score and when they don't .....we lose!

lvhoops wrote: One of the big differences I see this year compared to the last 2 is at the end of the year guys are still playing their hardest instead of mailing it in due to a me-me attutude and constant harrassment from the coach. I see guys like Corbett and Brenner coming in the game when Jake and Zach are saddled with foul trouble ,flying around the court and giving it everything they have. I think this team likes and respects their Coach which just hasn't been the case in the past. Its this type of little things that may allow them to get over the hump and come out of districts.

RedRider1 wrote:The bar couldn't be set any lower......but we have the talent to make regionals.

lvhoops wrote: In my limited experence I have found that people who like and or respect their boss , coach or whoevers in charge and feel that he is a competent leader will work a little harder and go the extra mile. If they dont feel that way they will do what they have to and not give any extra effort. Its just human nature.I am pretty sure Big P would be the exception though

OrrPride wrote: wha wha wa...wha wha..wa wa.................and your point is?????

Series62 wrote:

OrrPride wrote: wha wha wa...wha wha..wa wa.................and your point is?????

The point is...if you hire some of these former red riders to sell real estate, if their skills are average and you attempt to push them to work harder, they will develop a dislike and/or disrespect for you, they will tell their parents and won't work that hard to be productive and sell properties. They will however expect you to continue to employ and pay them also and give them good references should they move on while hoping that your business fails.

Per lvhoops of course. LOL!!!

Series62 wrote: It's very difficult to coach any young athlete if their parents along with some in the community aren't supporting you and degrading you simultaneously. Who do YOU think the kids are going to listen to?

RedRider1 wrote: Come on guys...we had the 2nd coming of John Wooden.

He was faultless...just ask him.

Can't believe Big(Series62)P compared Smitty's first few years to Shorts.

Smith (1977-78 season through 1981-82)
96 wins, 23 losses (all 5 seasons had 18 wins or more)
2 regional appearances, 1 final 4 appearance
14-5 tourney record

Short (2002-03 through 2006-07 season)
75 wins, 36 losses (1 season of 18 wins or more)
0 district titles
3 seasons of 7 losses or more
6-5 tourney record

It's not even a discussion.....deny the truth all you want, but it doesnt stop it from being true.

Series62 wrote: I never said he was equal to Smith. Yet he wasn't that far off and did Short really have the same caliber of players that Smith had?

From what I've read and heard from people who played for Smith, not all liked him, but he didn't have to deal with the crap from parents that Short had to. Short couldn't, "collar", punch, poke, scream, yell and curse at players without repercussion like Smith did.

A few posts back you made another attempt to ridicule "park ball"! With the exception of Bolyard, most of these guys do not go to the park to play ball, so I doubt they even have any concept of what park ball is.

Now go back and talk to all those guys who played on those teams, even before the likes of Sly, the Short brothers and his sons, Bolyard Sr., Ray, McDonald, Denson, Reusser, Irby, Smith, Boggs, the Craig brothers, Harris, the Baker brothers, etc, etc, who loved basketball and played for Smith and ask them what did they do at the park. I'm told that much like many of the parks in the cities, there used to always be a line to get on the court at Orr Park because you had people from the surrounding communities and even Canton coming here to get some "game". It was close to that during the first few years when I moved here.