royal_k wrote: I like Tressel as a person, as a recruiter, and as a head coach. I do not like him calling the plays. Do i think he should be fired? No way....but something needs to be done about his offensive tendancies and gameplanning. There really is little ingenuity or variations in how he attacks defences.

This sums it up. This is exactly how I feel. I really think that OSU wins despite Tressel at times. Has he put them in positions to win, of course he has, in the past. But this season he really has pissed down his leg at times.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "but I expect them to be respected on the national scene"

A Rose Bowl trip isn't enough respect? Goddamn me, I have never thought I'd live in a time when OSU is so successful that their successes are disappoinments. Maybe you should stop listening to May, Forde, whatever jackass yahoo writer you linked to (BTW you realize many of these people never even played high school football, right?) and just enjoy football.

Do you feel that there is anything respectable about any of our recent trips to the national championship game?

Or better yet, is there anything respectable about any Big Ten teams recent trip to the rose bowl?

Yeah, it is a trip to the national championship game, even in a year (2007) OSU wasn't supposed to make it.

Sorry for my French, but OSU fucking lost their top 2 receivers that were high draft picks, a RB that was a high draft pick, a cornerback that was a high draft pick, and a LB that was a high draft pick and is in the running for defensive rookie POY (even though his team sucks)....pre-season I and many other people predicted Penn St. would win the Big 10 and had the Wisky game been in Madison I would have predicted Wisky to finish 2nd.

And we're disappointed this year. I'm at a complete loss.

I thought the young man who quarterbacked the Hawkeyes did an incredible job. Iowa came in and was not intimidated and played their game. They should receive a ton of credit for the effort they gave, particularly coming from a 14 point deficit in the fourth quarter to force the OT period. Was I upset during the game? Sure. I'm a huge Buckeye fan and I was losing patience with some of the things that happened during the game, but the bottom line is that the Bucks came up huge in the OT and when everything was on the line and it looked like the day might end in disaster, the Bucks defense rose to the occasion and the field goal kicker split the uprights and the win was secured. Lets take the win, let's beat Michigan next Saturday and let's go out to the Coast and achieve the improbable. A victory in the Rose Bowl.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: trep, if you ask anyone that is a fan of any other team, and ask whether winning the conference 5 years in a row isn't good enough and that OSU needs someone else, you'll get laughed out of the conversation. Who is going to do better? Urban Meyer? Jon Gruden? Big Bird? Tyler Durden? What happens when they (egad) might lose a game?

What a fucking joke what the OSU fanbase has become.

"Yea, Urban Meyer is better."



Urban Meyer would absolutely pwn the Big Ten. I remember when he brought a Bowling Green team in to the 'shoe in 2003 and almost escaped with a win.

trep14 wrote:

"Yea, Urban Meyer is better."



Urban Meyer would absolutely pwn the Big Ten. I remember when he brought a Bowling Green team in to the 'shoe in 2003 and almost escaped with a win.

Actually that was Greg Brandon. Urban Meyer was at Utah in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Meyer

Do you guys know that OSU has exactly 1 senior that starts for Ohio State when they run the I Formation?

Jake Ballard is the only season for OSU on this offense and people are complaining about them being 9-2, winning the B10, and going to the Rose Bowl?

The offense is getting better as the season goes on. Our running game has been excellent the past month and Pryor has had ZERO TURNOVERS in the last two games against two good defenses.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: Yeah, it is a trip to the national championship game, even in a year (2007) OSU wasn't supposed to make it.

Sorry for my French, but OSU fucking lost their top 2 receivers that were high draft picks, a RB that was a high draft pick, a cornerback that was a high draft pick, and a LB that was a high draft pick and is in the running for defensive rookie POY (even though his team sucks)....pre-season I and many other people predicted Penn St. would win the Big 10 and had the Wisky game been in Madison I would have predicted Wisky to finish 2nd.

And we're disappointed this year. I'm at a complete loss.

All that NFL talent and we lost 35-3 to USC?
And there was nothing respectable about OSU in either of those games. Rather, OSU's appearances in those national championship games threw more fuel on the "Big 10 is overrated" fire. Dude, I have defended OSU and the Big Ten to the death for the past few years. Its time to realize that maybe there was some truth to that after all.

dwccrew wrote:

trep14 wrote:

"Yea, Urban Meyer is better."



Urban Meyer would absolutely pwn the Big Ten. I remember when he brought a Bowling Green team in to the 'shoe in 2003 and almost escaped with a win.

Actually that was Greg Brandon. Urban Meyer was at Utah in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Meyer

Ahhh, my bad. I knew Meyer was at BG around that time period. Still doesn't change the fact that Meyer would destroy teams in the Big Ten.

Didn't Urban Meyer lose 4 games in a season a long time ago?

Wait, no, that was 2007! And they lost to Michigan to boot! Urban Meyer has lost more times to Michigan in the last 5 years than Tressel has.

Why would he come to OSU, as soon as they lose a game some tender pussies will get hurt and they'll want someone else to come in.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: Didn't Urban Meyer lose 4 games in a season a long time ago?

Wait, no, that was 2007! And they lost to Michigan to boot! Urban Meyer has lost more times to Michigan in the last 5 years than Tressel has.

Why would he come to OSU, as soon as they lose a game some tender pussies will get hurt and they'll want someone else to come in.

He's also beaten OSU more times than they have beaten him. I'd rather take 2 national titles in 3 years with a 4 loss season sandwiched in between than winning the big ten 5 years in a row and losing three straight bowl games.

"I'd rather take 2 national titles in 3 years "

So would 100% of all college football fans. It doesn't work that way. College football is difficult. When you play good teams, you are going to lose games. A portion of the OSU fanbase is so out of touch with reality and expectations that a coach would be an idiot to take the job if they would listen to that portion. I hope that most OSU fans aren't in this category, but the ones that are tend to be the noisiest. If you don't like OSU and their program stop watching.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "I'd rather take 2 national titles in 3 years "

So would 100% of all college football fans. It doesn't work that way. College football is difficult. When you play good teams, you are going to lose games. A portion of the OSU fanbase is so out of touch with reality and expectations that a coach would be an idiot to take the job if they would listen to that portion. I hope that most OSU fans aren't in this category, but the ones that are tend to be the noisiest. If you don't like OSU and their program stop watching.

I agree with that. I also think that Florida, USC, LSU, etc. probably all have the same type of fans within their fanbase. We just don't see it as much because we aren't within that fanbase. JMO

I tend to not let what some fans say bother me. Life is easier that way.

dwccrew wrote:

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "I'd rather take 2 national titles in 3 years "

So would 100% of all college football fans. It doesn't work that way. College football is difficult. When you play good teams, you are going to lose games. A portion of the OSU fanbase is so out of touch with reality and expectations that a coach would be an idiot to take the job if they would listen to that portion. I hope that most OSU fans aren't in this category, but the ones that are tend to be the noisiest. If you don't like OSU and their program stop watching.

I agree with that. I also think that Florida, USC, LSU, etc. probably all have the same type of fans within their fanbase. We just don't see it as much because we aren't within that fanbase. JMO

I tend to not let what some fans say bother me. Life is easier that way.

I agree 100%.

If Anderson Russel doesn't miss that tackle against Texas people would have less to bitch about. But the players sometimes don't make the plays.

Ohio State will have a great chance to prove themselves, but it looks like it will be a no win situation for them. They will either play Oregon or Stanford, both of whom aren't national elite teams. If Ohio State beats them it will be well "Yes, you should have beaten them, they aren't elite programs like OSU". And if we lose its the same bullshit we'll hear once again.

devil1197 wrote:
I agree 100%.

If Anderson Russel doesn't miss that tackle against Texas people would have less to bitch about. But the players sometimes don't make the plays.

Ohio State will have a great chance to prove themselves, but it looks like it will be a no win situation for them. They will either play Oregon or Stanford, both of whom aren't national elite teams. If Ohio State beats them it will be well "Yes, you should have beaten them, they aren't elite programs like OSU". And if we lose its the same bullshit we'll hear once again.

You hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. Although, I'll take a Rose Bowl win heading into next season. Next season should be a good one if the players develop and hopefully Gibson and Heyward stay.

we're the poster child of a disrespected conference...we need to win Saturday,and then win the Rose Bowl--the rest will take care of itself

dwccrew wrote:

devil1197 wrote:
I agree 100%.

If Anderson Russel doesn't miss that tackle against Texas people would have less to bitch about. But the players sometimes don't make the plays.

Ohio State will have a great chance to prove themselves, but it looks like it will be a no win situation for them. They will either play Oregon or Stanford, both of whom aren't national elite teams. If Ohio State beats them it will be well "Yes, you should have beaten them, they aren't elite programs like OSU". And if we lose its the same bullshit we'll hear once again.

You hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. Although, I'll take a Rose Bowl win heading into next season. Next season should be a good one if the players develop and hopefully Gibson and Heyward stay.

Actually, I think Oregon State has a better shot at making the Rose Bowl than Stanford does. If they win out and Arizona loses a game, they're in (Oregon State).

Okay, I'm going to come off like a semi-psychotic sort here, but bear with me. A day or two ago, I remember reading here a lengthy argument about the validity of the Sagarin rankings because he had the Big 10 ranked sixth out of the 6 BCS conferences. And while I can't remember where I saw it, I am going to respond to it on this thread, as it's concerning college football and Big 10 teams!

1. SEC: No contest this year. Florida and Alabama are awesome and a few others are very good. They're miles ahead of the world right now, which angers me.

Things get really tough now, as very little differentiates these next few.

2. PAC-10: Is it that other teams have gained on USC or that USC is falling back to the pack? The only reason they're #2 is because I have a bit more respect for their upper-tier teams than the others.

3. Big East: They easily could be #2, but here's the thing. They were with the ACC in the "why are these conferences in the BCS?" game last year. While they seem much improved this year, they don't have the most big-game tested teams as far as OOC games go. They could either really impress me this bowl season or really disappoint me because I really have little clue as to how they'll perform in the bowls.

4. Big XII: Texas is one of the best teams around. Oklahoma should have been, but the loss of Bradford makes them merely decent. The best of the north half of the conference is comparable to the middle-of-the-pack teams of any BCS conference. There's just very little depth here.

5. Big 10: Well, your best team lost to USC, who wound up an also-ran in the PAC-10 and to Purdue, who was 1-6 or so at the time. Iowa was looking like the last OSU Natty Champion team with their "JUST WIN (ugly), BABY!!!!!" philosophy, but lost their QB and two straight. Michigan's flopped again. Penn State underachieved. Honest truth is the conference just isn't that great on a national level right now.

6. ACC: There are a couple teams that hate this conference right now. LSU, who is the third SEC team in the race for two BCS bids. And any of those lesser-known powers that don't get in. The loser of Pitt-Cinn, a Boise State or Utah, Iowa or Penn State (or comparable teams in other conferences).... Miami barely beat Bradford-less Oklahoma. No team is without blemishes a great team would have avoided. Right now, they look more like a WAC/Mountain West "not ready for BCS" conference than one of the six powerhouses.

trep14 wrote: uggghh... I don't get how this can still completely go over the heads of people. One last time:

No one is arguing that five straight big ten titles is an accomplishment. It definitely is. However, as Buckeye fans first and college football fans second it is not something we can hang our hats on anymore. We can't be content just to win the Big Ten and write everything else off as nothing. College football has taken a trend to becoming a national game where out of conference wins and bowl wins are weighed more heavily in the eyes of poll voters and the media than conference championships. Furthermore, the Big Ten has been an absolutely horrific conference lately. The thing is, people try to criticize Tressel because they see the same old decision making and thought processes that lead to us absolutely getting demolished in nonconference games. Sure, the conservative crap works against Iowa (even though that game could have gone either way). I don't care how many lucky breaks Iowa had towards the end of that game...it wouldn't have come down to that had Tressel continued to be aggressive. That kind of playcalling is what gets us killed in games against teams that have an equal or greater amount of talent level. Once again: Winning the big ten is well and good but you need more than that to be successful in college football in this day and age. And as we continue to win against teams with inferior talent in the big ten with a certain style of play and play calling, we continue to build up Tressel's confidence that the style of play will work against teams with comparable talent. And Ohio States recent non conference performance clearly shows that it doesn't.

Should Tressel be fired? I honestly don't know. On the one hand, the man does win games and has a resume that certainly doesn't warrant a firing. On the other hand, the style of play needs to change. It really does, other wise it will be the same old song and dance in games of actual relevance (i.e. not against some scrub in the big ten). And Tressel is an extremely stubborn man and you know he won't. Maybe some pressure about his job being on the line would light a fire under his butt.

Insert obligatory "but Ohio State just won the Big Ten! What more do you want??!? You're not a real Buckeye fan!!!!!!" comeback.

Congratulations are in order for Ohio State. With that out of the way. Tressel did a much better coaching job against Texas last year in comparison to the game plan against Iowa.

I posted a guess of 2 to 1 run to pass ration. The actual ratio was an unheard of 3 to 1 ratio (51/17).

The 3 plops into the line in OT was a total disgrace. Tressel was bailed out by that second string kicker.