thedynasty1998 wrote: Do you think it gets approved?

Tiernan wrote: New acronym ITYS (I told ya so) when this lame brain idea blows up in their faces. It will take 10 yrs but this piece of crap casino will be vacant just like City Center turned out.

purple_rein wrote:

Tiernan wrote: New acronym ITYS (I told ya so) when this lame brain idea blows up in their faces. It will take 10 yrs but this piece of crap casino will be vacant just like City Center turned out.

Speaking of City Center - that is where this casino should have gone in the first place.

LJ wrote: The average voter in the rest of the state doesn't care enough about what goes on outside of their 20 mile "box" and will probably think this is a ballot measure to get a SECOND casino in Columbus.

Fab4Runner wrote:

Tiernan wrote:

LJ wrote:

Tiernan wrote: New acronym ITYS (I told ya so) when this lame brain idea blows up in their faces. It will take 10 yrs but this piece of crap casino will be vacant just like City Center turned out.

I'll put money on it working, if ya wanna make a bet.

Yea sure...I'm gonna wait around 10 yrs to get the lousy $5 you can afford to lose. Enjoy chicken -fried steak night at the westside casino.

Lol. I love people who have no idea what they're talking about.

LJ wrote:

Upper90 wrote: It took City Center 20 years, not to mention, a variety of factors played into CC's demise. Tuttle in 1999(?) crippled CC, and Easton pretty much shot it to death. Plus, losing Jacobson's, etc. hurt.

I think the Casino will do well. I'm happy it's not near the Arena District, as I live pretty close to the District (And plan to for some time), and the construction traffic, and just craziness in general would start to annoy, I think. Saturday nights are already a bit of a headache in the summer with all of the drunken hot mess that's stumbing down Neil leaving Sugar/Spice.

And Northland was still doing fine until Polaris killed it. I can still remember driving to Northland in late 2001 and hanging out with friends. The suburban malls killed the old directional malls. Tuttle killed Westland, Easton killed Eastland, Polaris killed Northland and combined they all killed City Center. Problem was that when City Center was built, you already had the directional malls. In 20 years there are going to be malls in Sunbury, Johnstown and West Jeff that are going to kill Polaris, Easton and Tuttle. It's just how it works.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

Upper90 wrote: It took City Center 20 years, not to mention, a variety of factors played into CC's demise. Tuttle in 1999(?) crippled CC, and Easton pretty much shot it to death. Plus, losing Jacobson's, etc. hurt.

I think the Casino will do well. I'm happy it's not near the Arena District, as I live pretty close to the District (And plan to for some time), and the construction traffic, and just craziness in general would start to annoy, I think. Saturday nights are already a bit of a headache in the summer with all of the drunken hot mess that's stumbing down Neil leaving Sugar/Spice.

And Northland was still doing fine until Polaris killed it. I can still remember driving to Northland in late 2001 and hanging out with friends. The suburban malls killed the old directional malls. Tuttle killed Westland, Easton killed Eastland, Polaris killed Northland and combined they all killed City Center. Problem was that when City Center was built, you already had the directional malls. In 20 years there are going to be malls in Sunbury, Johnstown and West Jeff that are going to kill Polaris, Easton and Tuttle. It's just how it works.

I have a hard time believing anything is going to kill Easton...the others maybe (doubtful). I highly doubt nicer malls/shopping/dining complexes are going to be built that will kill Easton or Polaris - and you yourself saying they're going to be farther outside of Columbus just makes no sense...why would people in the city drive past Easton or Polaris to go to a similar type center farther away? Or are you saying that the majority of the visitors to Easton and Polaris come from outside the city and that if they build new ones outside the 270 belt that Easton and Polaris wont be able to sustain the loss of traffic?

Tiernan wrote:

Fab4Runner wrote:

Tiernan wrote:

LJ wrote:

Tiernan wrote: New acronym ITYS (I told ya so) when this lame brain idea blows up in their faces. It will take 10 yrs but this piece of crap casino will be vacant just like City Center turned out.

I'll put money on it working, if ya wanna make a bet.

Yea sure...I'm gonna wait around 10 yrs to get the lousy $5 you can afford to lose. Enjoy chicken -fried steak night at the westside casino.

Lol. I love people who have no idea what they're talking about.

Been on vacation in SA and didn't get a chance to respond to this one...how do I not know wtf I'm taling about? The idiots that picked this location will be bitchin about the lack of patrons within 3 yrs of opening.

Tiernan wrote:

Fab4Runner wrote:

Tiernan wrote:

LJ wrote:

Tiernan wrote: New acronym ITYS (I told ya so) when this lame brain idea blows up in their faces. It will take 10 yrs but this piece of crap casino will be vacant just like City Center turned out.

I'll put money on it working, if ya wanna make a bet.

Yea sure...I'm gonna wait around 10 yrs to get the lousy $5 you can afford to lose. Enjoy chicken -fried steak night at the westside casino.

Lol. I love people who have no idea what they're talking about.

Been on vacation in SA and didn't get a chance to respond to this one...how do I not know wtf I'm taling about? The idiots that picked this location will be bitchin about the lack of patrons within 3 yrs of opening.

LJ wrote: Honestly.......




Probably not. The average voter in the rest of the state doesn't care enough about what goes on outside of their 20 mile "box" and will probably think this is a ballot measure to get a SECOND casino in Columbus.

se-alum wrote:

LJ wrote: Honestly.......




Probably not. The average voter in the rest of the state doesn't care enough about what goes on outside of their 20 mile "box" and will probably think this is a ballot measure to get a SECOND casino in Columbus.

Or.....they think their original vote for the Amendment should be upheld? I will be voting "No" on the location change.

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

Upper90 wrote: It took City Center 20 years, not to mention, a variety of factors played into CC's demise. Tuttle in 1999(?) crippled CC, and Easton pretty much shot it to death. Plus, losing Jacobson's, etc. hurt.

I think the Casino will do well. I'm happy it's not near the Arena District, as I live pretty close to the District (And plan to for some time), and the construction traffic, and just craziness in general would start to annoy, I think. Saturday nights are already a bit of a headache in the summer with all of the drunken hot mess that's stumbing down Neil leaving Sugar/Spice.

And Northland was still doing fine until Polaris killed it. I can still remember driving to Northland in late 2001 and hanging out with friends. The suburban malls killed the old directional malls. Tuttle killed Westland, Easton killed Eastland, Polaris killed Northland and combined they all killed City Center. Problem was that when City Center was built, you already had the directional malls. In 20 years there are going to be malls in Sunbury, Johnstown and West Jeff that are going to kill Polaris, Easton and Tuttle. It's just how it works.

I have a hard time believing anything is going to kill Easton...the others maybe (doubtful). I highly doubt nicer malls/shopping/dining complexes are going to be built that will kill Easton or Polaris - and you yourself saying they're going to be farther outside of Columbus just makes no sense...why would people in the city drive past Easton or Polaris to go to a similar type center farther away? Or are you saying that the majority of the visitors to Easton and Polaris come from outside the city and that if they build new ones outside the 270 belt that Easton and Polaris wont be able to sustain the loss of traffic?

I bet you would have said the same thing in 1988 about Northland, Eastland, Westland, and City Center. With the coming of Tuttle, Polaris and Easton putting those malls completely out of their misery, I don;t see why you think it's impossible.

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

I just find it hilarious you are saying the same things the Northland Chamber said years ago. My dad was one of the largest land owners in the Northland area and was heavily involved in the chamber of commerce there. To this day he talks about the extreme hubris that many members had and how they just laughed off the idea of malls outside of 270. To have the arrogance to say history won't repeat itself is absolutely asinine

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

I just find it hilarious you are saying the same things the Northland Chamber said years ago. My dad was one of the largest land owners in the Northland area and was heavily involved in the chamber of commerce there. To this day he talks about the extreme hubris that many members had and how they just laughed off the idea of malls outside of 270. To have the arrogance to say history won't repeat itself is absolutely asinine

what I find funny is that you think there will be some revolutionary new way of putting together a mall that people want to shop at that currently doesn't exist with Easton or Polaris or even Tuttle, and that said mall will make people want to bypass what already are some of the greatest shopping centers in the counry and drive to West Jeff or Johnstown to do so...Call it whatever you want, but there is a big difference in terms of what the directional malls were lacking and what Easton or Polaris lacks. And both Easton and Polaris are close enough to Columbus that the travel isn't a factor.

And like I said, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I doubt it. But if I am wrong I won't mind since I'll be soooooooo stoked to drive an hour to by jeans it won't matter.

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

I just find it hilarious you are saying the same things the Northland Chamber said years ago. My dad was one of the largest land owners in the Northland area and was heavily involved in the chamber of commerce there. To this day he talks about the extreme hubris that many members had and how they just laughed off the idea of malls outside of 270. To have the arrogance to say history won't repeat itself is absolutely asinine

what I find funny is that you think there will be some revolutionary new way of putting together a mall that people want to shop at that currently doesn't exist with Easton or Polaris or even Tuttle, and that said mall will make people want to bypass what already are some of the greatest shopping centers in the counry and drive to West Jeff or Johnstown to do so...Call it whatever you want, but there is a big difference in terms of what the directional malls were lacking and what Easton or Polaris lacks. And both Easton and Polaris are close enough to Columbus that the travel isn't a factor.

And like I said, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I doubt it. But if I am wrong I won't mind since I'll be soooooooo stoked to drive an hour to by jeans it won't matter.

I think you are forgetting that the way Columbus grows is by growth into the surrounding counties. Great, you live in the city, but that isn't where the growth is.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

I just find it hilarious you are saying the same things the Northland Chamber said years ago. My dad was one of the largest land owners in the Northland area and was heavily involved in the chamber of commerce there. To this day he talks about the extreme hubris that many members had and how they just laughed off the idea of malls outside of 270. To have the arrogance to say history won't repeat itself is absolutely asinine

what I find funny is that you think there will be some revolutionary new way of putting together a mall that people want to shop at that currently doesn't exist with Easton or Polaris or even Tuttle, and that said mall will make people want to bypass what already are some of the greatest shopping centers in the counry and drive to West Jeff or Johnstown to do so...Call it whatever you want, but there is a big difference in terms of what the directional malls were lacking and what Easton or Polaris lacks. And both Easton and Polaris are close enough to Columbus that the travel isn't a factor.

And like I said, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I doubt it. But if I am wrong I won't mind since I'll be soooooooo stoked to drive an hour to by jeans it won't matter.

I think you are forgetting that the way Columbus grows is by growth into the surrounding counties. Great, you live in the city, but that isn't where the growth is.

Say in 20 years the growth in the burbs has pushed out to West Jeff and Johnstown (or close to them) and another center is built...so you're telling me all of those people that aren't there now will go to the new one, and that the people that currently go to Easton or Polaris will go to the new ones in such a large # that the old malls will die? I don't buy it.

Will another one be built? Sure, almost a given. Will it kill the existing ones? No (maybe Tuttle).

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
because Tuttle, Polaris, and Easton are still relatively close to Columbus (270)...Johnstown, West Jeff...those aren't really that close. And I don't see how much you could improve on Easton or Polaris...the directional Malls obviously needed an upgrade, which is what Tuttle, Easton, and Polaris were...but what would you upgrade on those locations? It'd have to be something fucking sweet to make me drive to Johnstown or West Jeff...

I don't think you are understanding growth patterns in Columbus. In 20 years the "not new thing" could very well be in these places. But your thinking is exactly how the northland area chamber of commerce thought in 1988. That turned out well for them.

Well, if it happens in 20 years ill say you were right. But I'd put money on it not happening in those places. I just don't see people inside 270 wanting to drive that far.

I just find it hilarious you are saying the same things the Northland Chamber said years ago. My dad was one of the largest land owners in the Northland area and was heavily involved in the chamber of commerce there. To this day he talks about the extreme hubris that many members had and how they just laughed off the idea of malls outside of 270. To have the arrogance to say history won't repeat itself is absolutely asinine

what I find funny is that you think there will be some revolutionary new way of putting together a mall that people want to shop at that currently doesn't exist with Easton or Polaris or even Tuttle, and that said mall will make people want to bypass what already are some of the greatest shopping centers in the counry and drive to West Jeff or Johnstown to do so...Call it whatever you want, but there is a big difference in terms of what the directional malls were lacking and what Easton or Polaris lacks. And both Easton and Polaris are close enough to Columbus that the travel isn't a factor.

And like I said, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I doubt it. But if I am wrong I won't mind since I'll be soooooooo stoked to drive an hour to by jeans it won't matter.

I think you are forgetting that the way Columbus grows is by growth into the surrounding counties. Great, you live in the city, but that isn't where the growth is.

Say in 20 years the growth in the burbs has pushed out to West Jeff and Johnstown (or close to them) and another center is built...so you're telling me all of those people that aren't there now will go to the new one, and that the people that currently go to Easton or Polaris will go to the new ones in such a large # that the old malls will die? I don't buy it.

Will another one be built? Sure, almost a given. Will it kill the existing ones? No (maybe Tuttle).

Why only maybe tuttle? Do you realize the proximity of Subury to Polaris and Johnstown to Easton?

LJ wrote: Hell, I would say Easton would be most likely to lose large anchors. A traditional mall in a nicer area would strip business from the anchor stores real fast.