SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 2, 2017 10:03am
Haha Said going full retard. What a dipshit.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Oct 2, 2017 10:04am
Great contribution to the thread. Now go blow your BFF like_that.SportsAndLady;1874378 wrote:Haha Said going full retard. What a dipshit.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 2, 2017 10:04am
Anyone who goes on the air and uses the term "common sense gun control" (and they will) is gleefully dancing on the graves of the victims.like_that;1874358 wrote:Piece of shit isadore (and many others) predictably can’t let a good tragedy go to waste to promote his political stance(s). Shocker!!
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kizer permanente
Posts: 667
Oct 2, 2017 10:05am
This is the obvious answer. There's too many guns for any ban or regulation to be effective at this point. The problem is our country decided decades ago we don't want to pay for mental health anymore. Maybe we'll see the light. It won't just help gun violence, but drug epidemic too.friendfromlowry;1874375 wrote:I'm not a gun fanatic - don't own one, never shot one, don't plan to. But I don't think new or even the existing gun control laws are going to help. Crazy people are going to do what crazy people do. It sucks we'll probably never know this guy's issues before he pulled the trigger. I wonder if improving mental healthcare is more promising than trying to control guns.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Oct 2, 2017 10:05am
It's fine. Keep the political aspect out of this thread.justincredible;1874377 wrote:Heartless forum owner won't let moron back into forum thread. Alert the presses.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Oct 2, 2017 10:07am
This isn't the thread to discuss the political aspects of the shooting.kizer permanente;1874382 wrote:This is the obvious answer. There's too many guns for any ban or regulation to be effective at this point. The problem is our country decided decades ago we don't want to pay for mental health anymore. Maybe we'll see the light. It won't just help gun violence, but drug epidemic too.
You are only allowed to share sadness and shock responses here. Justin said so.
justincredible;1874371 wrote:Yep. Feel free to start a thread in the politics forum if you want to discuss the merits of gun control.
justincredible;1874372 wrote:This isn't the politics forum. Deal with it. This thread should be about discussing the facts of the incident as they come in.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 2, 2017 10:12am
It is amazing that cops were able to get to this guy in 5 minutes. They won't get credit, but that is a quick response. It only took this piece of shit 5 minutes to do all of that damage. Very frightening and sad.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 2, 2017 10:21am
IMHO this simply a matter of hysterical left-wing whataboutism. Rather than focus on the tragedy at hand. Elements of the left want to play gotcha with those on the right who they perceive as demanding everything involving a Muslim mass shooter be referred to as terrorism vs. the claim that the right appeals to "lone wolves" or "mental health" when the shooter is white.OSH;1874352 wrote:I don't get this either. It's like everything that ends up in some sort of "mass violence" has to be labeled as "terrorism." And, it has to be labeled that immediately.
A good example,might have been constant complaints from the right that Obama referred to the fort hood shooting as workplace violence or would say "act of terror" vs. "Radical Islamic Terrorism."
Frankly IMHO the whole semantic dispute is pretty much public discourse at its very worst.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 2, 2017 10:26am
Feeling weird today. My wife almost went on a bachelorette party to Vegas this weekend to go to this c9ncert. Thankfully they went a couple weekends earlier. Those videos I've seen are truly horrifying.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 2, 2017 11:10am
Yeah, especially reading how they figured it out -- from smoke detector recordings due to the smoke coming off his guns from firing them. That's impressive, because this nut apparently had the guns and ammo to keep going a long time if no one get to him first. 4-5 minutes (what I heard recorded) had to be a hell of a long time for anyone stuck there, but that kind of response is pretty incredible, all things considered.like_that;1874390 wrote:It is amazing that cops were able to get to this guy in 5 minutes. They won't get credit, but that is a quick response. It only took this piece of shit 5 minutes to do all of that damage. Very frightening and sad.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 2, 2017 11:21am
Can we get isaderp banned from this thread so we can keep it informative rather than getting moved to the politics forum or even the basement?thavoice;1874353 wrote:And people will mention how Chicago has some of the strongest gun laws and yet more people die there than Americans serving overseas in current conflicts.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 2, 2017 11:22am
If that wasn't full auto (by sound) then it sure was semi-auto with something like a bump stock to make it fire faster.iclfan2;1874363 wrote:Technically fully autos are legal with level 3 super restrictive rules. I don't think police have actually said he had full autos yet, but it sure sounded like it. I know you can modify semi auto's too but you need to have some milling skills.
And thank you for removing that moron.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 2, 2017 11:23am
If you want a gun rights thread, start one in the politics forum.salto;1874369 wrote:and everyone else is saying the same thing, how horrible it is.
Yea, no shit it's horrible.
Lets now discuss how it was able to happen. Let isadore back in for that conversation.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 2, 2017 11:23am
You haven't read the whole thread yet, have you?jmog;1874454 wrote:Can we get isaderp banned from this thread so we can keep it informative rather than getting moved to the politics forum or even the basement?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 2, 2017 11:26am
BS and I hardly agree on political discussions, but he is right here. Both sides are caught up in labels. My personal opinion is the left is far worse at it, but both sides do it.BoatShoes;1874398 wrote:IMHO this simply a matter of hysterical left-wing whataboutism. Rather than focus on the tragedy at hand. Elements of the left want to play gotcha with those on the right who they perceive as demanding everything involving a Muslim mass shooter be referred to as terrorism vs. the claim that the right appeals to "lone wolves" or "mental health" when the shooter is white.
A good example,might have been constant complaints from the right that Obama referred to the fort hood shooting as workplace violence or would say "act of terror" vs. "Radical Islamic Terrorism."
Frankly IMHO the whole semantic dispute is pretty much public discourse at its very worst.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 2, 2017 11:27am
Yeah, I wrote that then 2 posts later read that he had been....Heretic;1874457 wrote:You haven't read the whole thread yet, have you?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 2, 2017 11:30am
Fortunately, I made it that far, because as soon as Isadore went full Isadore, I was thinking he'd probably need banned from the thread, since this one isn't on the poli forum. And with the software, the function is "thread ban/unban", so if I'd done anything, it would have given him posting permission here again, instead of banning him.jmog;1874459 wrote:Yeah, I wrote that then 2 posts later read that he had been....
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 2, 2017 11:36am
To me, "say the white shooter is a terrorist!" crowd is the left-wing version of the "say the minority shooter committed a hate crime!" crowd. People generally just adding white noise to the narrative, although it does get sort of funny when a person who decries one of those incidents of labeling is in favor of the other.jmog;1874458 wrote:BS and I hardly agree on political discussions, but he is right here. Both sides are caught up in labels. My personal opinion is the left is far worse at it, but both sides do it.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Oct 2, 2017 1:41pm
58 dead, 515 injured.
The death toll could end up above 70, I imagine. Terrible.
The death toll could end up above 70, I imagine. Terrible.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 2, 2017 2:46pm
Heretic;1874446 wrote:Yeah, especially reading how they figured it out -- from smoke detector recordings due to the smoke coming off his guns from firing them. That's impressive, because this nut apparently had the guns and ammo to keep going a long time if no one get to him first. 4-5 minutes (what I heard recorded) had to be a hell of a long time for anyone stuck there, but that kind of response is pretty incredible, all things considered.
Those hotels are HUGE. It probably takes a solid 2 minutes just to get from the ground floor to a room on the 32nd.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 2, 2017 2:47pm
Not to diminish 58 dead, but 515 injured is mind blowing.OSH;1874506 wrote:58 dead, 515 injured.
MontyBrunswick
Posts: 846
Oct 2, 2017 3:10pm
it's not as mind blowing when you factor in injuries incurred as thousands of people disperse in a non-orderly fashion.gut;1874533 wrote:Not to diminish 58 dead, but 515 injured is mind blowing.
I doubt he shot 515 people
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Oct 2, 2017 3:18pm
Not sure where you read/heard this...but from the first 911 cal of shots fired, it took an hour and 12 min to get to his room.like_that;1874390 wrote:It is amazing that cops were able to get to this guy in 5 minutes. They won't get credit, but that is a quick response. It only took this piece of shit 5 minutes to do all of that damage. Very frightening and sad.
Per the NBC News Justice Correspondent.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 2, 2017 3:25pm
An hour and 12 minutes? That can't be right, can it?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 2, 2017 3:26pm
True, good point. 515 is still a huge number, but you're probably right that it includes a lot of abrasions.MontyBrunswick;1874541 wrote:it's not as mind blowing when you factor in injuries incurred as thousands of people disperse in a non-orderly fashion.
I doubt he shot 515 people