HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 27, 2017 9:32pm
Absolute truth, and they should for the good of the game.justincredible;1873792 wrote:The 1st Amendment really has nothing to do with this. The NFL would be completely within their rights to stop it tomorrow.
"We just wanna play football, and people are using us for their benefit."----- Mike Tomlin
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 27, 2017 9:54pm
I'm gonna partially disagree with this. It's the job of the media to report on stories and issues like this. Would be completely irresponsible to ignore it.HOF on coattails;1873783 wrote:Blame the media too. Simple fix is keep the camera's on the person singing the national anthem and NOT on the kneeling players. It would all go away.
Now, I don't 100% condone all the media does (i.e. is LeBron heading to LA, etc.), but in a case like this (and a few others that people complain about), it's literally their job to inform the public of everything going on.
Bio-Hazzzzard
Posts: 1,027
Sep 27, 2017 10:21pm
Taking shots at and pissing off one another is not conducive in conceiving the proposed goal. Will the two sides ever succeed by kicking each other in the nuts every chance they get? In my 43 years I have never experienced such a diverse reality that the good people of our country are creating, sickening.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 27, 2017 10:29pm
They're never going to fire half the players. Now, hefty fines could start to make things interesting....fish82;1873795 wrote:Exactly. Employers have pretty wide discretion toward employee behavior during work hours...especially that which can affect company revenue. They’re perfectly within their right to condone it or shut it down.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Sep 27, 2017 10:44pm
justincredible;1873789 wrote: I find the act of screaming during the anthem a lot worse, and significantly more annoying.
I do, too.
They should have respectfully waited until the anthem was over......THEN excercised their freedom of speech....geez.
HOF on coattails
Posts: 28
Sep 28, 2017 3:14am
Don't NFL players get paid for their actions on the field, not while the anthem is playing? Doubtful the national anthem is considered part of their paid work time.fish82;1873795 wrote:Exactly. Employers have pretty wide discretion toward employee behavior during work hours...especially that which can affect company revenue. They’re perfectly within their right to condone it or shut it down.
Owners could fire every kneeler tomorrow...and while I’m sure the players union would sue, the owners would win in court pretty easily.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Sep 28, 2017 4:03am
I would consider their work day consisting of when they arrive at the facility until they leave the facility.HOF on coattails;1873824 wrote:Don't NFL players get paid for their actions on the field, not while the anthem is playing? Doubtful the national anthem is considered part of their paid work time.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Sep 28, 2017 4:04am
I was born here, dumb ass.Belly35;1873788 wrote:what have you done to earn the right to abuse this privilege of freedom ...
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Sep 28, 2017 6:59am
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justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 28, 2017 9:06am
They are in uniform. They are representing their team and the league. They are in their office, so to speak. The owner/coach/commissioner could absolutely stop them from doing this. I have absolutely no issue with the protests, but teams/league could put a stop to them immediately and the players would really have no recourse.HOF on coattails;1873824 wrote:Don't NFL players get paid for their actions on the field, not while the anthem is playing? Doubtful the national anthem is considered part of their paid work time.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 28, 2017 9:13am
Some legal guy on espn said he asked the NFL whether they'd do that, and they didn't even want to address the hypothetical. You're right they definitely could, but I don't think they'll ever actually do it. That'd piss their players off so bad there could actually be a threat of the players not showing up for work.justincredible;1873838 wrote:They are in uniform. They are representing their team and the league. They are in their office, so to speak. The owner/coach/commissioner could absolutely stop them from doing this. I have absolutely no issue with the protests, but teams/league could put a stop to them immediately and the players would really have no recourse.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Sep 28, 2017 9:25am
Yup, the union would have a field day in court.SportsAndLady;1873839 wrote:Some legal guy on espn said he asked the NFL whether they'd do that, and they didn't even want to address the hypothetical. You're right they definitely could, but I don't think they'll ever actually do it. That'd piss their players off so bad there could actually be a threat of the players not showing up for work.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 28, 2017 9:35am
I mean, players get fines for wearing the wrong kind of shoes. I'm pretty sure the league could start fining players and the union wouldn't be able to stop it.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 28, 2017 9:53am
No, but they can refuse to play. What's worse, "declining" ratings or no game at all?justincredible;1873842 wrote:I mean, players get fines for wearing the wrong kind of shoes. I'm pretty sure the league could start fining players and the union wouldn't be able to stop it.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 28, 2017 10:11am
That's true.Laley23;1873843 wrote:No, but they can refuse to play. What's worse, "declining" ratings or no game at all?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 28, 2017 10:28am
Agreed...obviously they'd never actually do it.SportsAndLady;1873839 wrote:Some legal guy on espn said he asked the NFL whether they'd do that, and they didn't even want to address the hypothetical. You're right they definitely could, but I don't think they'll ever actually do it. That'd piss their players off so bad there could actually be a threat of the players not showing up for work.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 28, 2017 10:30am
It would be interesting to see just how many of them are that committed to the cause.Laley23;1873843 wrote:No, but they can refuse to play. What's worse, "declining" ratings or no game at all?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 28, 2017 10:33am
Kaep would definitely refuse to play.fish82;1873852 wrote:It would be interesting to see just how many of them are that committed to the cause.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Sep 28, 2017 10:38am
Laley23;1873843 wrote:No, but they can refuse to play. What's worse, "declining" ratings or no game at all?
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 28, 2017 10:44am
I have a hard time seeing these players forfeiting their paychecks.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 28, 2017 11:50am
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 28, 2017 11:57am
I could see it for a week.like_that;1873855 wrote:I have a hard time seeing these players forfeiting their paychecks.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 28, 2017 11:58am
How many black Americans play in the NHL?QuakerOats;1873867 wrote:
Hell, what percentage of the league is American in general?
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Sep 28, 2017 12:12pm
And here we have a microcosm of what is wrong in our public dialogue. If you disagree with someone else's point of view, don't debate it like a gentleman. Call them a "whiny *****". Quaker, I'm sure you'd have the courage to call one of these NFL players that to his face, right?QuakerOats;1873867 wrote:
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 28, 2017 12:26pm
Absolutely not. The definition of a "keyboard warrior."