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majorspark;1866994 wrote:Is it in our national security interest too not allow a third less stable nation to primarily target their nuclear arsenal on our major cities? Why should we not very aggressively combat this?
We lived with China doing that exact thing...

We have to face the fact that North Korea and the U.S. is now in a deterrence relationship. They are not giving up their nukes. They are not giving up their missiles and they are not going away. Trying to say they have to denuclearize is a non-starter and futile.
It sucks and the result is a failure of U.S. policy from Rs and Ds over the last 30 years.
Aug 18, 2017 10:39am
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THere is very few options on the table now with NK:

1. We go in and actually sit at a table with Kim and use diplomacy.
2. We go in and take him out.
3. We ignore him and let the regional powers take him on.
Aug 18, 2017 10:44am
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Spock;1867511 wrote:THere is very few options on the table now with NK:

1. We go in and actually sit at a table with Kim and use diplomacy.
2. We go in and take him out.
3. We ignore him and let the regional powers take him on.
Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.
Aug 18, 2017 10:54am
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ptown_trojans_1;1867516 wrote:Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.
1 would be good but no president isn't doing that without conditions and that asshole isn't making concessions. He is a utter meglamaniac.
Aug 18, 2017 7:22pm
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Spock;1867615 wrote:1 would be good but no president isn't doing that without conditions and that asshole isn't making concessions. He is a utter meglamaniac.
Those two would think they're looking in a mirror.
Aug 19, 2017 10:51am
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ptown_trojans_1;1867516 wrote:Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.
If one changes the words to number 3 a little, to "let the powers with more direct influence act in their interest, which also benefits us", a combination of #1 and #3 is the way to go.
Aug 19, 2017 12:07pm
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Heretic;1867676 wrote:Those two would think they're looking in a mirror.
Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.
Aug 19, 2017 12:45pm
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majorspark;1867685 wrote:Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.
If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.
Aug 19, 2017 12:58pm
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majorspark;1867685 wrote:Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.
Some of that sounds like the Clinton MO
Aug 19, 2017 1:01pm
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Heretic;1867686 wrote:If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.
Well I have been taken seriously when trying to be funny or cute, by you I might add, so we can gently float to the ground together.
Aug 19, 2017 1:39pm
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Heretic;1867686 wrote:If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.
Says stupid shit.

Gets called out on stupid shit.

"Triggered a snowflake."
Aug 20, 2017 6:59am
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Spock;1867688 wrote:Some of that sounds like the Clinton MO
Please tell us, what part?
Aug 20, 2017 3:59pm
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superman;1867756 wrote:Says stupid shit.

Gets called out on stupid shit.

"Triggered a snowflake."
Lol.
Aug 20, 2017 7:22pm
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superman;1867756 wrote:Says stupid shit.

Gets called out on stupid shit.

"Triggered a snowflake."
Look at how many times he has called out QO for comparing Obama to Marxists or some other extreme term. He is hardly a "snowflake" for doing so. "Snowflake" in the political sense would be one that is so fragile they seek to hide from any form of political debate. The word "snowflake" is currently being politically redefined as I have no logical argument and you are fragile for challenging me.
Aug 20, 2017 11:58pm
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majorspark;1867838 wrote:Look at how many times he has called out QO for comparing Obama to Marxists or some other extreme term. He is hardly a "snowflake" for doing so. "Snowflake" in the political sense would be one that is so fragile they seek to hide from any form of political debate. The word "snowflake" is currently being politically redefined as I have no logical argument and you are fragile for challenging me.
I wasn't calling him a snowflake. I was saying that "I triggered a snowflake." Is his buckshot response to being called out on something stupid he said.
Aug 21, 2017 12:12am
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superman;1867839 wrote:I wasn't calling him a snowflake. I was saying that "I triggered a snowflake." Is his buckshot response to being called out on something stupid he said.
Lol, anyone with a brain can see Trump (like Kim) has a touch of megalomania.
Aug 21, 2017 12:30am
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North Korea thread turns into who is crazier argument between Trump supporters and rational people. AMAZING.
Aug 21, 2017 6:48pm
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Commander of Awesome;1867996 wrote:North Korea thread turns into who is crazier argument between Trump supporters and rational people. AMAZING.
Are the rational people the ones who try to equate Trump to the NK madman who ruthlessly murders anyone who does not look at him properly and is threatening peaceful nations with nuclear war?


I am starting to believe that a great many on the left have absolutely completely lost their minds and any semblance of rational thought; hysteria as it were.
Aug 22, 2017 9:43am
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QuakerOats;1868110 wrote:Are the rational people the ones who try to equate Trump to the NK madman who ruthlessly murders anyone who does not look at him properly and is threatening peaceful nations with nuclear war?


I am starting to believe that a great many on the left have absolutely completely lost their minds and any semblance of rational thought; hysteria as it were.
So you have nothing to say about current NK politics?
Aug 24, 2017 11:50am
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So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting


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Aug 28, 2017 6:58pm
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iclfan2;1869106 wrote:So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting


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Yes......I think it's time to take the UN and make them go into NK.
Aug 28, 2017 7:08pm
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iclfan2;1869106 wrote:So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting


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That is terrifying.
Aug 28, 2017 7:15pm
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Spock;1869107 wrote:Yes......I think it's time to take the UN and make them go into NK.
And the impotent UN is going into NK and make them do what??
Aug 29, 2017 3:41am
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Ghmothwdwhso;1869182 wrote:And the impotent UN is going into NK and make them do what??
Hey pal. There will be a strongly worded letter of warning put into their permanent file. They might even get double secret probation.
Aug 29, 2017 7:44am
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Commander of Awesome;1869108 wrote:That is terrifying.

Are you cowering in the corner?
Aug 29, 2017 9:27am