SportsAndLady;1844435 wrote:Pinched your collar?! How ever did you make it through such intrusive measures?

I hope you're okay zunardo. My prayers are with you during this difficult time.

LOL. Thanks - not sure how I made it thru the rest of the trip. I sounded like Muttley for a while. :RpS_w00t:

But just when you think you're ahead of the game, they change the rules and move the goalposts.

I guess I was still a little grouchy from last night - Mrs. Zunardo and I were carded not once, but twice while trying to catch a little live music near our hotel. I can't remember the last time I was carded. We're both 58.

I tell ya, it was a rough weekend.

justincredible;1844441 wrote:But, hey, if we give you a "TSA pre-check" approval you can board with all of the collar bombs you want.

It's really kind of a joke, especially if (I think) you book friends and family on your account - you all get pre-check. WTF?!? So Justincredible vouches for someone, and that's good enough for the TSA?

This is mind boggling to me, and such a ginormous gaping security hole that should render many of their other measures clearly a waste. The only explanation is the baggage scanner, and regular scanner (not the full-body "whoosh") is basically all they need, or as good as it gets, and everything else is just for show.

justincredible;1844433 wrote:I don't know about you, but those pinches make me feel a lot safer.

Someone could have metal stays in their shirt collar, sharpened into a lethal object!

gut;1844444 wrote:So Justincredible vouches for someone, and that's good enough for the TSA?

Well, the TSA has already decided that some schlep's opinion of a person based on one week's worth of in-class training is good enough for them to be handed a uniform, so maybe we're expecting too much.

gut;1844444 wrote:This is mind boggling to me, and such a ginormous gaping security hole that should render many of their other measures clearly a waste. The only explanation is the baggage scanner, and regular scanner (not the full-body "whoosh") is basically all they need, or as good as it gets, and everything else is just for show.

Security theater at its finest.

gut;1844445 wrote:Someone could have metal stays in their shirt collar, sharpened into a lethal object!

If we don't stop all the lapel knives from getting onto the planes, the terrorists win.

gut;1844445 wrote:Someone could have metal stays in their shirt collar, sharpened into a lethal object!

True. Gotta catch those.

Interestingly enough, they still serve soda in cans on planes. Which could be fashioned into an extremely sharp, lethal object pretty easily while on the plane. Which takes me back to my original point that all of this is theater and should not be accepted.

Or, like, I'm sure you could turn an ipad or some other aluminum and glass electronic device into something you could stab people with pretty easily.

justincredible;1844503 wrote:Or, like, I'm sure you could turn an ipad or some other aluminum and glass electronic device into something you could stab people with pretty easily.

It was explained to me that it wouldn't even be that difficult to hide fashioned knives and such in the casing of a laptop.

justincredible;1844502 wrote:Which takes me back to my original point that all of this is theater and should not be accepted.

Most of it's theater. Clearly TSA-pre is just a way to milk fliers with a voluntary tax. To be honest, I'm surprised it's not hundred of dollars more because business travelers tend to be so price insensitive.

gut;1844525 wrote:Most of it's theater. Clearly TSA-pre is just a way to milk fliers with a voluntary tax. To be honest, I'm surprised it's not hundred of dollars more because business travelers tend to be so price insensitive.

TSA Precheck is worth every penny of the $85 IMO.

fish82;1844660 wrote:TSA Precheck is worth every penny of the $85 IMO.

I totally agree.

Might have missed a flight out of CLE early Monday if not for it.

fish82;1844660 wrote:TSA Precheck is worth every penny of the $85 IMO.

BRF;1844662 wrote:I totally agree.

Might have missed a flight out of CLE early Monday if not for it.

Functionally, yes. The added convenience is worth it if you travel even just a few times a year.

However, ideally, it still shouldn't cost at all.

Figured this is a good place to put this. This is something that never should happen.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/03/tsa_worker_fired_after_gun_fou.html

Iliketurtles;1844811 wrote:Figured this is a good place to put this. This is something that never should happen.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/03/tsa_worker_fired_after_gun_fou.html

See, that's fucking retarded. The woman forgot to remove her legally-carried firearm from her purse, and subsequently, she was charged.

If that ever carries over to knives, I swear I'm going to get charged at least once a year, as I usually carry a couple knives on me (a card knife in my wallet and a pocket knife on my keychain).

Oddly enough, though, I actually get through security about half the time I forget to remove those anyway.

She should have just kept it in there. There is also a video floating around of a 13 year old boy being patted down for like 4 minutes. Just go to an airport, these people are morons. I can't believe anyone thinks these schmucks are protecting anything.


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Iliketurtles;1844811 wrote:Figured this is a good place to put this. This is something that never should happen.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/03/tsa_worker_fired_after_gun_fou.html

Yikes. Was the TSA agent asleep while the machine was scanning the carry-on?

The day of the infamous Janet Jackson Super Bowl, I flew out from CMH early that afternoon for a business trip. The place was dead, my wife and two sons (8 and 6) were with me while I checked in at the counter. 9-11 was still fresh, and they were still X-raying your luggage out there in the lobby while you stood by.

The guard at the scanner told my sons to come up and watch the screen while he scanned my suitcase, and tell him what they saw. "Let's see what your Dad has in there ..... oh-oh, what's that?", and each time he'd ask one of them to identify an object - shoes, razor blade, deodorant - and what they missed, he could pretty much pick out every item in there, down to the aspirin in my shaving kit. My boys loved it.

I remember thinking, "Good thing I didn't have any contraband, he'd have seen right through me and busted me then and there.

How did this idiot in Birmingham let a gun get through? Why bother with technology if you don't use it?

justincredible;1844502 wrote:Interestingly enough, they still serve soda in cans on planes. Which could be fashioned into an extremely sharp, lethal object pretty easily while on the plane.

justincredible;1844503 wrote:Or, like, I'm sure you could turn an ipad or some other aluminum and glass electronic device into something you could stab people with pretty easily.

NSA data minors just struck gold.

Maybe profiling would be a far less invasive approach.

majorspark;1844883 wrote:Maybe profiling would be a far less invasive approach.

I actually am less opposed to the idea of behavioral profiling. While a person's complexion and name don't necessarily tell you anything about where the person was born or anything about their worldview, there are behavioral tendencies that are indicative of trying to hide something illicit. If I recall correctly, some of these are either instinctive or so socially ingrained that they're all but impossible to hide.

O-Trap;1844891 wrote:I actually am less opposed to the idea of behavioral profiling. While a person's complexion and name don't necessarily tell you anything about where the person was born or anything about their worldview, there are behavioral tendencies that are indicative of trying to hide something illicit. If I recall correctly, some of these are either instinctive or so socially ingrained that they're all but impossible to hide.

I remember seeing a piece on the Israeli airport screening...^^^that's what they rely on.

But I'll go out on a limb and say you aren't getting quality behavioral observation from TSA.

majorspark;1844878 wrote:NSA data minors just struck gold.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to get pulled aside for an enhanced screening my next time flying.

gut;1844893 wrote:I remember seeing a piece on the Israeli airport screening...^^^that's what they rely on.

But I'll go out on a limb and say you aren't getting quality behavioral observation from TSA.

Of course not. They get less training than in-store employees at Verizon Wireless (true story). Not a lot of faith in their prowess in detecting suspicious mannerisms or tendencies.

O-Trap;1845081 wrote:Of course not. They get less training than in-store employees at Verizon Wireless (true story). Not a lot of faith in their prowess in detecting suspicious mannerisms or tendencies.

Wow. That is truly horrifying (and, despite my very low expectations, still a little shocking).

gut;1845082 wrote:Wow. That is truly horrifying (and, despite my very low expectations, still a little shocking).

When I was somewhat newly out of college and looking for a job, I actually looked into both (ended up working at a Verizon store, as I couldn't stomach the idea of working for the TSA):

TSA:
In-Class Training (hrs): 56-72
On-the-Job Training (hrs): 112-128

Verizon Store Rep:
In-Class Training (hrs): 160-240
On-the-Job Training (hrs): 240-320