ptown_trojans_1;1839940 wrote:My guess is they would do just as little as possible to make a profit and end up charging all of us just to go through security. It is all about making and saving a buck with them.

Maybe. I will say the best flight I've had recently was with Frontier where pretty much everything is a la carte.

I'd be curious to see how much federal regulations add to the operating costs of running an airline. I would imagine it's not insignificant and could probably be paired down a lot to allow airlines to operate a little easier.

justincredible;1839895 wrote:What happens when they find out that these new procedures are completely ineffective? Will you accept more invasive measures?

That's not true, they stopped Shaun Rogers from bringing a gun onto a flight.

I'm good with TSA however I think, no fly two time felon, no fly 6 year unemployed over 40 and profiling, should be added protocol

Commander of Awesome;1839955 wrote:That's not true, they stopped Shaun Rogers from bringing a gun onto a flight.

lol, even gibby as a TSA agent couldn't fuck that one up.

Belly35;1839957 wrote:I'm good with TSA however I think, no fly two time felon, no fly 6 year unemployed over 40 and profiling, should be added protocol

What does this mean? (aka translation please)

There were 3,100+ times someone tried to get a gun through TSA (I'm assuming almost all of them an accident..).

Not sure if I'm going to be called a TSA apologist. But I definitely don't think they're completely inept and useless lol.

justincredible;1839943 wrote:I'd be curious to see how much federal regulations add to the operating costs of running an airline..

I just looked at one of my flight receipts:
$27.56 US transportation tax
$ 8.20 US flight segment tax
$11.20 9/11 security fee
$ 9.00 passenger facility charge

$400+ ticket, so about 12% in taxes and fees (although 2 or 3 of those might be flat rates)

SportsAndLady;1839991 wrote:There were 3,100+ times someone tried to get a gun through TSA (I'm assuming almost all of them an accident..).

Not sure if I'm going to be called a TSA apologist. But I definitely don't think they're completely inept and useless lol.

Completely? I guess that's debatable.

That said, they fail 95.7% of the time on self-performed weapons detection tests. Thus, we can reasonably assume that 50-60,000 weapons fly each year in carry-ons.

They suck pretty hard.

justincredible;1839877 wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-03/u-s-airport-pat-downs-are-about-to-get-more-invasive

How long before we all just strip down to our underwear to go through airport security?

who sais I am wearing underwear?

I've encountered quite a few assholes going through TSA. I have the pre-check, which helps a lot, but still........

The Adam Ruins Everything clip was quite interesting.

What happens when a terrorist decides he's going to strap on a suicide bomb vest, find a busy airport with a long, slow security line and detonate himself as centrally as he can? He hasn't gone through security at that point and everyone waiting in line is a sitting duck. Does the TSA make us safer or does it just provide the illusion of safety?

I think I fly more than everyone on here??? I had 188 segments last year. Over the last 4 years on this job, I've only had 1 annoying interaction. Where I had a tiny screwdriver in my carryon which I forgot about. Went 3 months, finally TSA caught it (definite weapon. The large ones no, tiny screwdrivers are like knives though). I laughed and said take, guy asked why I laughed and I told him that he, personally, has missed that in my bag about 10 times over the last few months.

I do have TSA Pre-Check which is nice. And I know what to wear to travel, so I never take anything off or out of my bag and I'm through security in about 3 minutes. I don't mind it because I'm in the minority of unaffected travelers 99.9999% of my flights. But I also don't pretend they are good at their job. They catch obvious stuff like guns but miss stuff that is just as dangerous. I also despise the liquid law. I can buy everything you just confiscated in 5 minutes at the store inside the airport.

justincredible;1840283 wrote:What happens when a terrorist decides he's going to strap on a suicide bomb vest, find a busy airport with a long, slow security line and detonate himself as centrally as he can? He hasn't gone through security at that point and everyone waiting in line is a sitting duck. Does the TSA make us safer or does it just provide the illusion of safety?

I think it is a little bit of both. Americans love them security theater. Hell, we're going to build a $30 billion wall that will stop nothing and everybody in my yuppie sub division needlessly has ADT.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/house-republicans-would-let-employers-demand-workers%E2%80%99-genetic-test-results/ar-AAo5Qb1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

I think I would be more concerned with this than the TSA.:RpS_blink:

SportsAndLady;1839938 wrote:Do you honestly feel "molested" when you go through TSA?

A couple times, I have. Most of the time, I'm annoyed and would be happier if I, and everyone else on my flight, could just get to our gate without the TSA.

justincredible;1840283 wrote:What happens when a terrorist decides he's going to strap on a suicide bomb vest, find a busy airport with a long, slow security line and detonate himself as centrally as he can? He hasn't gone through security at that point and everyone waiting in line is a sitting duck. Does the TSA make us safer or does it just provide the illusion of safety?

BoatShoes;1840811 wrote:I think it is a little bit of both. Americans love them security theater. Hell, we're going to build a $30 billion wall that will stop nothing and everybody in my yuppie sub division needlessly has ADT.

I mean, they're going to catch the obvious ones, but there's really nothing to suggest that the guns mentioned above (just as an example) wouldn't have been caught before 9/11. It isn't as though there was no security prior, and it's not as though the TSA has been the only, or even effective, form of security added since.

https://youtu.be/iQ9ByX-oJAM?t=23m31s

"The TSA is a giant game of dick, dick, goose."

justincredible;1841212 wrote:"The TSA is a giant game of dick, dick, goose."

Aauurrgghhh. Flew from Columbus to Denver this past Friday, my first time on Frontier Airlines. Had "TSA pre-check" clearly marked on my boarding pass, and the Columbus TSA agent directed me to the privileged line where I kept my shoes on and just walked thru a metal detector. No muss, no fuss, good to go. I'm liking this "pre-check" thingy.

Flew back home today, Frontier. Once again, my boarding pass clearly has "pre-check" on it, and the ticket agent directs us to the appropriate hallway to go thru TSA. This time, there is no pre-screen sign or line. The TSA agent tells us, "oh, everyone goes thru the regular screening here, there's no pre-check line".

When I balked and pointed to the boarding pass, she said, "oh, if you want, you can go thru the other security check-in, they have a pre-check section there, but that's at the other end of the airport ................". So I still gotta take off the shoes and assume the position in the X-scan machine - and after that some whippersnapper not old enough to shave says he's going to "pinch" my collar in few places ......... wait a minute, you've got the best x-ray machine known to mankind, and you want to pinch my collar???

The only thing preventing me from a meltdown was that they didn't tell me to take off my belt. Good thing, too. I left my suspenders at home.

I don't know about you, but those pinches make me feel a lot safer.

Pinched your collar?! How ever did you make it through such intrusive measures?

I hope you're okay zunardo. My prayers are with you during this difficult time.

Those X-scan machines are unacceptable. And there's nothing worse than removing your shoes for 3 minutes.

SportsAndLady;1844435 wrote:Pinched your collar?! How ever did you make it through such intrusive measures?

I hope you're okay zunardo. My prayers are with you during this difficult time.

You're missing the point. WTF does pinching someone's collar accomplish? It's not that it's necessarily intrusive. It's that is utterly pointless, a huge waste of time, and does absolutely nothing to make flying one iota safer.

It's a well known fact that the TSA will now be pinching everyone's collar. I guess the terrorists won't hide their bombs in their collars anymore.

But, hey, if we give you a "TSA pre-check" approval you can board with all of the collar bombs you want.