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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 28, 2017 8:46pm
lmfao....CLE being CLE
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 28, 2017 8:54pm
Can't be mad or happy. We'll see how he turns out. It's a crap shoot with qbs.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 28, 2017 8:59pm
He does have athleticism and an NFL arm. I've seen him make accurate tough throws, at times. The potential is there.SportsAndLady;1850717 wrote:Can't be mad or happy. We'll see how he turns out. It's a crap shoot with qbs.
It's good value, but after swinging and missing SO many times for SO many years, you'd think CLE would just load up the team everywhere else with what always seems to be a ton of picks.
Seriously, their ability to accumulate picks wheeling-and-dealing would make them flat scary if they ever do find that QB.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 28, 2017 9:00pm
Yup exactly. He has all the tools to be very good. He's just needs a lot of work and will have to sit a whileSportsAndLady;1850717 wrote:Can't be mad or happy. We'll see how he turns out. It's a crap shoot with qbs.
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Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Apr 28, 2017 9:20pm
So what's next....OL help/depth? WR?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 28, 2017 9:25pm
I like the pick at 52...why not?
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Sonofanump
Apr 28, 2017 9:34pm
They need a CB
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Apr 28, 2017 9:35pm
Lewis out of UM??
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 28, 2017 9:45pm
It's not a bad pick for that late imo. I don't think the other QBs are that much more/less better prospects than him. Overall I think this FO is going to keep drafting a QB every year until they get it. They keep stock piling picks to do so.gut;1850719 wrote:He does have athleticism and an NFL arm. I've seen him make accurate tough throws, at times. The potential is there.
It's good value, but after swinging and missing SO many times for SO many years, you'd think CLE would just load up the team everywhere else with what always seems to be a ton of picks.
Seriously, their ability to accumulate picks wheeling-and-dealing would make them flat scary if they ever do find that QB.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 28, 2017 9:49pm
Not a bad pick there. Should fit nicely next to Shelton
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Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 28, 2017 9:51pm
Great upside and value at 52. Don't think they reached at all, and got a potential starting NFL QB.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 29, 2017 1:51am
He night be a fucking bum, ala Weeden who wasn't worth the 352 pick.vball10set;1850724 wrote:I like the pick at 52...why not?
Yep.Sonofanump;1850727 wrote:They need a CB
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 29, 2017 1:53am
My take on Kizer, not our first/second/third option but best option they thought they had (personally I'd rather try with dobbs but not enough to QQ about it). He was at one point thought of as the top QB prospect until he QQ'd too much. It's a swing, slightly misguided, but I like that we tried. He fucking least as the physical tools which I like. Time ffor hue to put up or shut up.
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Sonofanump
Apr 29, 2017 7:38am
I thought they might wait until R4 and see if Kaaya was around.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2017 10:45am
Do you have anything that says this? I got the impression that they valued Kizer the same as any other QB and thus were ok with grabbing him in the 2nd instead of trading up and reaching for somebody like Mahomes.Commander of Awesome;1850758 wrote:My take on Kizer, not our first/second/third option but best option they thought they had (personally I'd rather try with dobbs but not enough to QQ about it). He was at one point thought of as the top QB prospect until he QQ'd too much. It's a swing, slightly misguided, but I like that we tried. He fucking least as the physical tools which I like. Time ffor hue to put up or shut up.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2017 10:48am
I figured of all people on this site, that you would be fucking ecstatic. Earlier during the college year you were talking about how he might go #1 overall (assuming the browns were the #1 pick, which they were lol) and we all made fun of you. I hope 3 years from now (or sooner) you can bring back those posts and shit on us.Crimson streak;1850714 wrote:Lol this won't be good but I don't mind it. He has the highest upside in this draft
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Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2017 11:21am
I'm biased, because I covered DeShone for 3 years in High School and got to do several interviews/sit down talks with him for the local station in Toledo (BCSN). Talent aside, which he has a ton of potential, he is a great kid from a great family. 3 sport athlete who loved his teammates and just wanted to win. Very well spoken, with a good head on his shoulders. Despite the out of context quotes recently, he is a humble kid.
I'm pretty excited to see how he fares. He is smart enough to learn the NFL pretty quickly...just hope his untapped talent keeps up.
I'm pretty excited to see how he fares. He is smart enough to learn the NFL pretty quickly...just hope his untapped talent keeps up.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 29, 2017 11:30am
That was also based on his 2015 season and that first game against Texas. He was just so inconsistent through tour the year. I think a lot of that had to do with Brian Kelly, a terrible defense, and very young receivers. He just tried to do too much in the 4th quarter a lot of times. He does need work with his foot work but all the tools are there. I've seen him make incredible throws and then turn around and throw the ball into the ground. When his foot work is right he can really throw it. When it's not he struggles. The good thing is that it is very fixable, you just can't teach arm talent. If we get the Kizer of 2015, I truly think we have found our qb. If we get the 2016 Kizer we'll let's just say it's not pretty lol. I think we will see lore of the 2015 Kizer but we shall see.like_that;1850770 wrote:I figured of all people on this site, that you would be fucking ecstatic. Earlier during the college year you were talking about how he might go #1 overall (assuming the browns were the #1 pick, which they were lol) and we all made fun of you. I hope 3 years from now (or sooner) you can bring back those posts and shit on us.
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Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 29, 2017 11:32am
I agree 100% with this. I might be a little biased too since my brother worked out with him a lot and ran routes for him in the summer before he got to ND and my buddy from high school helped him with his training. There is no question he has serious talent. Just gotta put it all togetherLaley23;1850776 wrote:I'm biased, because I covered DeShone for 3 years in High School and got to do several interviews/sit down talks with him for the local station in Toledo (BCSN). Talent aside, which he has a ton of potential, he is a great kid from a great family. 3 sport athlete who loved his teammates and just wanted to win. Very well spoken, with a good head on his shoulders. Despite the out of context quotes recently, he is a humble kid.
I'm pretty excited to see how he fares. He is smart enough to learn the NFL pretty quickly...just hope his untapped talent keeps up.
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 29, 2017 12:01pm
I just can't accept a guy is humble when he compares himself to tom brady and cam Newton lol
I know everything you said is true laley, but I just can't agree that he's a humble guy lol
I know everything you said is true laley, but I just can't agree that he's a humble guy lol
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 29, 2017 12:05pm
but he might not be, and we need a QB...at 52, the reward far outweighs the riskCommander of Awesome;1850757 wrote:He night be a fucking bum, ala Weeden who wasn't worth the 352 pick.
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 29, 2017 12:10pm
Agreed. We have to at least try and get a QB worth a damn.vball10set;1850781 wrote:but he might not be, and we need a QB...at 52, the reward far outweighs the risk
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 29, 2017 12:18pm
That was more taken out of context than anything but he's always been a humble guy that's why those words kinda surprised me a bit.SportsAndLady;1850780 wrote:I just can't accept a guy is humble when he compares himself to tom brady and cam Newton lol
I know everything you said is true laley, but I just can't agree that he's a humble guy lol
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iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Apr 29, 2017 12:28pm
The Kizer pick was great value at 52. Multiple "scouts "had him rated ahead of Watson. He may not pan out but the Browns didn't give up the farm and over reach on one either
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2017 12:46pm
I don't GAF if he is the cockiest asshole in the world if he wins games.SportsAndLady;1850780 wrote:I just can't accept a guy is humble when he compares himself to tom brady and cam Newton lol
I know everything you said is true laley, but I just can't agree that he's a humble guy lol