Commander of Awesome;1836651 wrote:http://football.realgm.com/analysis/2935/NFL-Mock-Draft-30-Post-Super-Bowl-Edition

Don't hate it.

sleeper;1836735 wrote:I do. What about Kizer gives you any confidence he will be in the league longer than 3 years?

sleeper;1836908 wrote:I'd give up a 2nd rounder at best for Jimmy G. That's what he's worth.

Commander of Awesome;1836928 wrote:Carson fucking Wentz went for more than that, try again.

sleeper;1836908 wrote:I'd give up a 2nd rounder at best for Jimmy G. That's what he's worth.

Crimson streak;1836899 wrote:The Browns’ analytical approach can actually be pretty easily determined (besides what value they place on Garoppolo), because their current Director of Research and Strategy, Kevin Meers, wrote an article several years ago that took Jimmy Johnson’s famous draft trade value chart and made some much needed updates. He uses Pro Football Reference’s Career Approximate Values (CAV) to determine what each pick’s true value is, and while that’s not a perfect way to determine player value, it gives us insight as to how the Browns approach the draft and this potential trade.

Jimmy Garoppolo was the 62nd pick in the 2014 draft, and in this year’s draft, the Browns hold the first, 12th, 33rd, 50th, and 65th picks, while the Patriots have the 32nd, 64th, and 96th picks in the first three rounds (the Patriots potentially have a compensatory third-round pick acquired in the Jamie Collins trade). Initial reports/sources stated the Patriots wanted compensation similar to what the Eagles received in the Sam Bradford trade—a first and fourth-round pick. Considering the Browns have two first-round picks, they have the ammunition to make this happen, and also considering that the Patriots don’t have a fourth-round pick in the 2018 draft, the 12th overall pick and a fourth-round pick next year is in line with what New England wants.

However, I don’t see this scenario happening, as the Browns’ analytical approach covets draft picks, and if that fourth-round pick Cleveland trades is near the top of the round, that package is the equivalent of the fourth overall pick in the draft, based on the chart. Simply put, increasing the value of Garoppolo 58 spots in the draft based on six quarters of play is unlikely. A more likely scenario of the first- and fourth-round picks playing out is if the teams swap first-round picks, which places Garoppolo’s value at the No. 33 pick. Any conversation that starts with a straight first and fourth for Garoppolo won’t have legs when it comes to the Browns.

Another popular trade scenario is trading two second-round picks for Garoppolo. If the Browns trade both of their later second-round picks in 2017 (pick 50) and in 2018 (not set, but assume 50 again), that’s valuing Garoppolo as the 10th overall pick—another unlikely trade scenario. If the Patriots were to throw in their third-round pick (perhaps the compensatory pick they got in the Collins trade), that puts the value of Garoppolo as a late first-round pick, and closer to that No. 33 slot, like in the previous scenario.

Again, we have no idea how the Browns value Garoppolo, and a trade between the two teams will heavily rely on that, but expect the value of the Patriots’ backup to be closer to No. 33 than No. 12, and therefore a package deal that ends up with the Browns holding both their first-round picks and parting with some second-round picks in exchange for Garoppolo and another later-round pick.

www.profootballfocus.com/pro-3-possible-trade-destinations-for-patriots-qb-jimmy-garoppolo/?utm_content=buffer6dab3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

I would definitely be up for reading 1st round picks to the pats, and a 4th for jimmy. That would give us the #1, 32, 33, and 50. I'd do that in a heartbeat


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Crimson streak;1836943 wrote:In reality we wouldn't be giving up anything but a 4th rounder if they swap 1st round picks.


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SportsAndLady;1836962 wrote:Give up our second first rounder or both our seconds for Jimmy G. We need a QB, and he's a good QB imo. Get it done and let's move on with the rebuild with our franchise QB in hand.

SportsAndLady;1836962 wrote:Give up our second first rounder or both our seconds for Jimmy G. We need a QB, and he's a good QB imo. Get it done and let's move on with the rebuild with our franchise QB in hand.

sleeper;1836965 wrote:How'd Matt Cassel work out?

Commander of Awesome;1836979 wrote:How'd Brett Farve work out?

sleeper;1837022 wrote:How'd Matt Flynn work out?

Commander of Awesome;1837023 wrote:How'd Matt Schuab work out?

like_that;1837030 wrote:Has sleeper ever wanted a QB?

like_that;1837034 wrote:Link?

SportsAndLady;1837035 wrote:Lol sleeper being anti-jimmy G makes me want him even more. Sleeper is right less than 50% of the time so the odds are in my favor.

sleeper;1837036 wrote:I just made that up.

like_that;1837038 wrote:Got it.

sleeper;1837026 wrote:Kyle Orton
Alex Smith
Jay Cutler

How'd they work out?

I can go all night bro. There are trillions more NFL QBs like Jimmy G who flopped and now sell used cars. Nothing I've seen from him warrants mortgaging the future. 2nd round pick at best.

sleeper;1837033 wrote:Yes. I advocated trading the entire draft to move up and select Andrew Luck.