2017 NFL Off-Season Chatter

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Feb 28, 2017 9:00pm
Azubuike24;1839050 wrote:Rodgers and Brees will both probably end up playing in the league during a 15-year span together. How are they not in the same era?
Ironman92;1839055 wrote:Pretty much same era but Brees had over 20,000 yards passing and 125 TD passes before Rodgers started a game.
This.

Peyton played a decade before Rodgers started. You don't say they were same era. Brees I just associate with Brady and Peyton. Brady was 2000 and Brees 2001. Sorry you disagree.
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Mar 1, 2017 11:33am
Ironman92;1839053 wrote:Otto played for about a decade and won about every game those years. His first 3-5 years was the AAFC which had about 7 teams in the entire league. The last 4-6 years was NFL which had 12 most of the 50's I believe.

Pretty sure some of his championships they defeated the New York Yankees lol.

Otto = Top 26
Congrats. He played in a watered down league back in the 50's when competition was absolute shit. He wouldn't even make a D1 college team much less be one of the best QBs of all time in the NFL.

Hell, I could have played QB in the NFL in the 1950's. Sorry for not knowing who a QB was that played in the AAFC.
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Mar 1, 2017 11:34am
SportsAndLady;1839042 wrote:No one knows who Otto graham is? Lol sleeper is a fucking moron.
I only know the top 50 players at each position in the NFL. So yes, I don't know a lot of players.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:32pm
The Jets informed Revis that he will be released. It's a shame how far he's fallen, he was absolute dog shit this season.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:35pm
justincredible;1839200 wrote:The Jets informed Revis that he will be released. It's a shame how far he's fallen, he was absolute dog shit this season.
He's probably the best corner of all time, at his peak. Crazy how corners just deteriorate like that almost overnight.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:44pm
SportsAndLady;1839202 wrote:He's probably the best corner of all time, at his peak. Crazy how corners just deteriorate like that almost overnight.
Hard to say if he's the best corner of all time. Need to consult the 1950's AAFC experts to find out if there's any players no one knows using subjective stats.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:48pm
sleeper;1839203 wrote:Hard to say if he's the best corner of all time. Need to consult the 1950's AAFC experts to find out if there's any players no one knows using subjective stats.
Looks like sleeper needs one of these: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2714270/Hurt-Feelings-Report.pdf
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Mar 1, 2017 12:49pm
Sleeper is feeling insecure, because his lack of NFL knowledge was once again exposed. :RpS_lol:
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Mar 1, 2017 1:01pm
Yes and Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT because he played in a league with a bunch of white guys. ABA for the win!

LOL
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Mar 1, 2017 1:12pm
sleeper;1839211 wrote:Yes and Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT because he played in a league with a bunch of white guys. ABA for the win!

LOL
I think you're missing the entire point.

You're making fun of Otto Grahams ranking, the rest of us are making fun of you for not even knowing who he is.
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Mar 1, 2017 1:14pm
like_that;1839214 wrote:I think you're missing the entire point.

You're making fun of Otto Grahams ranking, the rest of us are making fun of you for not even knowing who he is.
IF sleeper ever has a kid, I can't wait for his kid to use the same flawed logic about LBJ on him. Could probably see the stream pouring out of Sleeper's little head.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:06pm
like_that;1839214 wrote:I think you're missing the entire point.

You're making fun of Otto Grahams ranking, the rest of us are making fun of you for not even knowing who he is.
Why would I know who he is? I can't even tell you the backup QB for the Chargers much less a QB from the 1950's who played in the AFAFFC or whatever. If he's really that good, you'd think he'd be common knowledge but he clearly is not.

Do you think 100 years from now people will remember MJ? Always. He's one of the best. No one gives a flying fuck about Otto Graham.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:07pm
Commander of Awesome;1839215 wrote:IF sleeper ever has a kid, I can't wait for his kid to use the same flawed logic about LBJ on him. Could probably see the stream pouring out of Sleeper's little head.
???

LBJ is already the best basketball player ever. I'd be happy to watch someone take his crown especially if that someone plays for the Cavs.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:10pm
like_that;1839208 wrote:Sleeper is feeling insecure, because his lack of NFL knowledge was once again exposed. :RpS_lol:
Why is he all torn up with me?
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Mar 1, 2017 2:12pm
sleeper;1839235 wrote:Why would I know who he is? I can't even tell you the backup QB for the Chargers much less a QB from the 1950's who played in the AFAFFC or whatever. If he's really that good, you'd think he'd be common knowledge but he clearly is not.

Do you think 100 years from now people will remember MJ? Always. He's one of the best. No one gives a flying fuck about Otto Graham.
I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame and all, but yeah...no one knows or cares about him.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:13pm
I looked up Otto Graham and he's just what I thought. 6'1 196lb white guy QB winning championships against the New York Yankees in the 1940's. 23,000 career passing yards, 55% completion rate. LOL.

Yes, absolutely GOAT QB, 100x better than Tom Brady.

You can't make this stuff up!
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Mar 1, 2017 2:13pm
I'd take him over Johnny Manziel though.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:14pm
sleeper;1839235 wrote:Why would I know who he is? I can't even tell you the backup QB for the Chargers much less a QB from the 1950's who played in the AFAFFC or whatever. If he's really that good, you'd think he'd be common knowledge but he clearly is not.

Do you think 100 years from now people will remember MJ? Always. He's one of the best. No one gives a flying fuck about Otto Graham.
Yeah we're talking about a top 3 QB of all time that played for a franchise you claim to be a fan of. The fact that you do not know who he is shows how irrelevant your NFL knowledge is, not how irrelevant of a player Otto Graham was. You doing to tell me Jim Brown, Motley, and Lou Groza were bums as well?
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Mar 1, 2017 2:14pm
Heretic;1839240 wrote:I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame and all, but yeah...no one knows or cares about him.
What team would he play for now? And by team I mean what CFL team because this guy has no business being in the NFL.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:15pm
sleeper;1839242 wrote:I looked up Otto Graham and he's just what I thought. 6'1 196lb white guy QB winning championships against the New York Yankees in the 1940's. 23,000 career passing yards, 55% completion rate. LOL.

Yes, absolutely GOAT QB, 100x better than Tom Brady.

You can't make this stuff up!
10 yrs in the league, 10 championship games. Nice cherry picking! Guess Marino wasn't any good either bc guys in the league are hitting 5k passing every yr now! Just terrible logical thinking skills on display.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:18pm
Commander of Awesome;1839245 wrote:Yeah we're talking about a top 3 QB of all time that played for a franchise you claim to be a fan of. The fact that you do not know who he is shows how irrelevant your NFL knowledge is, not how irrelevant of a player Otto Graham was. You doing to tell me Jim Brown, Motley, and Lou Groza were bums as well?
The NFL when these players played was an absolute joke. They were good for their times but they have no business being labeled "GOAT" anything especially when compared to reality.

Let me guess, you think Babe Ruth getting drunk and smoke cigarettes before games would fly into today's era? He wouldn't even make Single A.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:19pm
Commander of Awesome;1839247 wrote:10 yrs in the league, 10 championship games. Nice cherry picking! Guess Marino wasn't any good either bc guys in the league are hitting 5k passing every yr now! Just terrible logical thinking skills on display.
Sorry for telling the truth about your hero. Maybe go outside and get some perspective about reality.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:21pm
sleeper;1839248 wrote:The NFL when these players played was an absolute joke. They were good for their times but they have no business being labeled "GOAT" anything especially when compared to reality.

Let me guess, you think Babe Ruth getting drunk and smoke cigarettes before games would fly into today's era? He wouldn't even make Single A.
Using this logic, I think we should pontificate future NBA stars stats/body from 2500 AD to make sure Sleeper's Great Great great great great great great grand son can argue that LBJ wouldn't make a DII college Basket Ball roster. Just an epic fail meltdown happening before our eyes.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:28pm
sleeper;1839246 wrote:What team would he play for now? And by team I mean what CFL team because this guy has no business being in the NFL.
Well, when you consider minor details such as that if Graham was around now, he'd have access to the same weight training programs, nutritional programs, excellent year-round facilities, style of offensive coaching and so on that the athletes of today have, your "look at his size and peripherals and tell me how that'd fly today?" argument automatically loses all validity.
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Mar 1, 2017 2:36pm
Commander of Awesome;1839250 wrote:Using this logic, I think we should pontificate future NBA stars stats/body from 2500 AD to make sure Sleeper's Great Great great great great great great grand son can argue that LBJ wouldn't make a DII college Basket Ball roster. Just an epic fail meltdown happening before our eyes.
I don't think you are smart enough to understand saturation points. The NBA/NFL have reached a saturation point with the best of the best athletes, from birth to draft day are being groomed with the best technology that simply didn't exist in the 1950's. Barring some massive improvement in technology, we will unlikely see a more competitive professional sports market than we have now. LBJ will be tough to top even 500 years from now.