ptown_trojans_1;1832759 wrote:I'll believe the "cost savings" when I see it. I'm guessing it is more in the deferring the cost to future blocks and orders of the aircraft, or shifting the cost structure to more of our allies.

And what the hell with the statement that the money for the F-35 is going to Obama? What a fucking dumb ass statement.

Political donations you dumb fuck.


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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783


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bases_loaded;1832766 wrote:Political donations you dumb fuck.


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You do know they contribute to everyone right?
Ds and Rs in the White House and in Congress. It's the whole lobbying the ones who are in power.

So, Lockheed donates to everyone.

If you want to blast Obama, then blast everyone in Congress too man. Because they do the same thing.
Also, your statement was heavy in inferring that Obama personally makes a profit from Lockheed deals, which is so far off base that it is laughable and a dumbass statement.

Yes and once someone got into power that they hadn't lined campaign pockets things changed. ****


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bases_loaded;1832775 wrote:Yes and once someone got into power that they hadn't lined campaign pockets things changed. ****


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Not yet. Nothing binding the contract yet. Again, I'll believe it when I see it. Most likely again, they are just deferring costs into future blocks or orders. The contract is already in place, they can just shift the cost curve and make it looks cheaper now. Plus, Lockheed still has friends in Congress, so they can actually put more money in the program if they want, over riding Trump and the DOD. Don't be naive.

I don't know about Lockheed, but watch all the "Green" companies line up for "thank you" speeches from Obama (likely paid for with taxpayer dollars).

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The tolerant left strikes again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4120970/Opera-star-Andrea-Bocelli-backs-singing-Trump-s-inauguration-receiving-death-threats.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus


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iclfan2;1832811 wrote:The tolerant left strikes again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4120970/Opera-star-Andrea-Bocelli-backs-singing-Trump-s-inauguration-receiving-death-threats.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

Trump should get hologram Michael Jackson to perform

sleeper;1832658 wrote:I don't typically respond to long posts because it's beyond the scope of my troll game.

#1) Your metrics are a joke and probably not true. No point in going through a fact discussion because you are clearly biased and not interested in rational debate. Obama hasn't created the Perfect economy, but you're downright delusional/partisan if you can't give Obama ANY credit for the progress he has made since the Bush recession.

#2) I'm not going to ask for your Presidential ranking because A) You don't have one and used them to try to make a sad point and B) You don't matter

#3) You are clueless on how the world works and are comparing the US economy to Cuba, capitalism to communism, and pretending that Obama is a communist. I'm not sure where you are going with this; didn't you go to Miami?

#4) We agree on both Obamacare and TrumpCare. The only system proven to work is single payer healthcare. If Trumpcare is a single payer system, I will support it regardless of what it is called. Republicans don't like to admit that Obamacare is Romneycare, a Republican idea, and try to pretend this is the system that Obama wanted. No, Obama tried to compromise with Republicans to get some type of healthcare reform passed to HELP people that need it and for that I applaud him tremendously.

FIFY the bolded part. Anyway:

1. LOL you got cute and said I had no indicators. I provided you indicators from raw data. You are all about the raw data, but now that it doesn't apply to your act it is apparently a joke and isn't true (and then claim I am the biased one). You're more than welcome to verify them, but I will count this response translated to "i have nothing, so I will try to be smug and say you are wrong." Also the metrics you provided combined with the metrics I provided are why I would give Obama a C and not go doom and gloom claiming he was 100% a disaster for our country. Averaging out the good and bad is the exact opposite of being partisan. You either didn't read my post, or you are being ignorant on purpose to play up your act. A for effort on #1.

2. This will also translate to "I have nothing." Cute fake tough guy approach though. Also, the best part of my presidential ranking is the fact the comment went over your head. Remember when you graded Trubisky ( or was it another QB) as a 6th round pick and you couldn't name the 200 other players who should be drafted over him? I /sleepered you and you didn't even know it.

3. Must not teach reading comprehension at OSU. I simply said unemployment/employment numbers are not an indicator of a strong/weak economy. Where the fuck did I say Obama is a communist? Cuba is an example of a country with low unemployment numbers, but with a shitty economy. It's really not that hard to understand. Considering the fact that you told us stories of going to basic bitch bars in DC and bragged about buying bud light, because it is good beer, I don't think you should be telling anyone that they don't know how the world works.

4. If you are ok with waiting 6+ months for a surgery, dropping our #1 ranking from medical research/innovations/cures/survival rates/etc, and giving control of our healthcare to whichever party controls the government at any giving time then I guess single payer is the way to go. The interesting thing is obamacare insured more people than before and the life expectancy in the US dropped for the first time since 1993.

Sleeper is about to disappear. His miserable existence that is only compensated through internet trolling has hit a wall. Another Trump victory.

gut;1832742 wrote:Single payer saves money by basically cramming down profits. That's all well and good when the US is subsidizing global healthcare, that is until we also go single payer.

But the money for drug and technology research will have to come from somewhere, and I'd expect the rest of the world to pull their weight about as much as they do in defense. The inevitable outcome is our healthcare bills will be lower, but our taxes will be higher to pick-up the slack in R&D and our true cost won't be all that different.

Most of R&D researched is funding through the NIH anyway. Drug companies spend a lot of money on advertising because they want you to buy their .01c pill for $10 over their competitor's or generic brands.

bases_loaded;1832746 wrote:It has and will continue to. In two weeks we'll be the only company in North America with the machinery we'll have.

Lockheed Martin announced 1800 new jobs and will begin cutting the cost of production of the F-35 which no doubt lined Obamas Nobel peace pockets. Thanks Obama




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Meanwhile, American Apparel is closing and most retail chains are halfway out the door.

Hail Trump!

bases_loaded;1832766 wrote:Political donations you dumb fuck.


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Hail Trump! He will be the first President not to make any money for himself off the Presidency.

like_that;1832872 wrote:FIFY the bolded part. Anyway:

1. LOL you got cute and said I had no indicators. I provided you indicators from raw data. You are all about the raw data, but now that it doesn't apply to your act it is apparently a joke and isn't true (and then claim I am the biased one). You're more than welcome to verify them, but I will count this response translated to "i have nothing, so I will try to be smug and say you are wrong." Also the metrics you provided combined with the metrics I provided are why I would give Obama a C and not go doom and gloom claiming he was 100% a disaster for our country. Averaging out the good and bad is the exact opposite of being partisan. You either didn't read my post, or you are being ignorant on purpose to play up your act. A for effort on #1.

2. This will also translate to "I have nothing." Cute fake tough guy approach though. Also, the best part of my presidential ranking is the fact the comment went over your head. Remember when you graded Trubisky ( or was it another QB) as a 6th round pick and you couldn't name the 200 other players who should be drafted over him? I /sleepered you and you didn't even know it.

3. Must not teach reading comprehension at OSU. I simply said unemployment/employment numbers are not an indicator of a strong/weak economy. Where the fuck did I say Obama is a communist? Cuba is an example of a country with low unemployment numbers, but with a shitty economy. It's really not that hard to understand. Considering the fact that you told us stories of going to basic bitch bars in DC and bragged about buying bud light, because it is good beer, I don't think you should be telling anyone that they don't know how the world works.

4. If you are ok with waiting 6+ months for a surgery, dropping our #1 ranking from medical research/innovations/cures/survival rates/etc, and giving control of our healthcare to whichever party controls the government at any giving time then I guess single payer is the way to go. The interesting thing is obamacare insured more people than before and the life expectancy in the US dropped for the first time since 1993.

I don't like long posts because there is too many pivots in the discussion and the message is lost.

The reality is, Obama was a great President and he would be the greatest if Republican's didn't spend his entire 8 years obstructing his every move.

Now we have the cheeto in chief. Hail Trump.

bases_loaded;1833012 wrote:Sleeper is about to disappear. His miserable existence that is only compensated through internet trolling has hit a wall. Another Trump victory.

I've been posting on these forums for 7 years + a few years on the huddle.

I'm not going anywhere. If anything, posting will continue to ramp up on this account and on others.

sleeper;1833021 wrote:I don't like long posts because there is too many pivots in the discussion and the message is lost.

The reality is, Obama was a great President and he would be the greatest if Republican's didn't spend his entire 8 years obstructing his every move.

Now we have the cheeto in chief. Hail Trump.

Reality is your troll act has done a complete 180, because you're bored.

like_that;1833035 wrote:Reality is your troll act has done a complete 180, because you're bored.

Hail Trump!

sleeper;1833017 wrote:Most of R&D researched is funding through the NIH anyway. Drug companies spend a lot of money on advertising because they want you to buy their .01c pill for $10 over their competitor's or generic brands.

Most of their "advertising" spending is drug reps responsible for educating physicians. They spend 10X as much on doctors as they do on tv ads. The "buy our pill" is a drop in the bucket, and confined mostly to male baldness and erectile dysfunction.

sleeper;1833021 wrote:I don't like long posts because there is too many pivots in the discussion and the message is lost.

The reality is, Obama was a great President and he would be the greatest if Republican's didn't spend his entire 8 years obstructing his every move.

He was a great dictator as far as making end runs on the constitution and bypassing elected representation. Repub's could possibly have done more to stop him, but some don't have the balls, or are part of the swamp.

gut;1833049 wrote:Most of their "advertising" spending is drug reps responsible for educating physicians. They spend 10X as much on doctors as they do on tv ads. The "buy our pill" is a drop in the bucket, and confined mostly to male baldness and erectile dysfunction.

Agreed. I should have used the word "marketing" instead of advertising.

My point still stands rooted in reality.

QuakerOats;1833050 wrote:He was a great dictator as far as making end runs on the constitution and bypassing elected representation. Repub's could possibly have done more to stop him, but some don't have the balls, or are part of the swamp.

He did nothing illegal and wasn't impeached.

Can you confidently say Trump won't be impeached? I'll be surprised if he makes it through 2017 without being impeached.

We have elected the enemy.

sleeper;1833047 wrote:Hail Trump!

Sleeper is rattled by 3 Trump supporters that post on this forum :RpS_lol:.

sleeper;1833054 wrote:We have elected the enemy.

I have that trademarked from about 7 years ago

sleeper;1833054 wrote:He did nothing illegal and wasn't impeached.

Can you confidently say Trump won't be impeached? I'll be surprised if he makes it through 2017 without being impeached.

We have elected the enemy.

There is probably an unleaked video or audio of him that is very compromising. Add that in with his business ties, and I can see an impeachment. However, with the GOP controlling the house, I give it about a 20% chance of happening.