Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

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Mar 21, 2017 1:00 PM
like_that;1843088 wrote:Crazy concept that has been overlooked for a couple decades now.
Agreed.
gut;1843099 wrote:Interestingly enough, I feel like we just spent a trillion dollars not long ago that, somehow, managed to address none of that.
Sure, but those projects were largely backlogged from previous years. So, it was just clearing the backlog. Now, we have that backlog again and even new requirements.
The Trump team actually has done a good job at calling on Governors to submit a top 50 list. I'm sure people have seen the list. This one has been floated around since January and is encouraging.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article128492164.html
Mar 21, 2017 1:00pm
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Mar 21, 2017 1:40 PM
^^^ except we didn't spend the trillion on actual projects (nor the 9 trillion that followed the first trillion). Almost all of it went to transfer payments. Sick.
Mar 21, 2017 1:40pm
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Mar 21, 2017 1:56 PM
QuakerOats;1843116 wrote:^^^ except we didn't spend the trillion on actual projects (nor the 9 trillion that followed the first trillion). Almost all of it went to transfer payments. Sick.
You can trash the policy back in 09, but the new Top 50 list is pretty much from the Trump team and Governors.
Mar 21, 2017 1:56pm
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Mar 24, 2017 9:08 AM
Commentary I see in conservative circles is that they believe Obamacare will collapse on its own so vote down Obamacare light and move on.

I think it's goin down and Obamacare will be preserved! Of course, Obamacare isn't going to implode.

Maybe now with Trump in office more Republican states will expand medicaid and the ACA will work as designed.
Mar 24, 2017 9:08am
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Mar 24, 2017 10:01 AM
Obviously it will implode --- Marxism never works.
Mar 24, 2017 10:01am
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Mar 24, 2017 11:07 AM
BoatShoes;1843627 wrote:Commentary I see in conservative circles is that they believe Obamacare will collapse on its own so vote down Obamacare light and move on.

I think it's goin down and Obamacare will be preserved! Of course, Obamacare isn't going to implode.

Maybe now with Trump in office more Republican states will expand medicaid and the ACA will work as designed.
it may implode but sit there for some future democrat to revive it. Repeal and get it out of there alltogether
Mar 24, 2017 11:07am
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Mar 24, 2017 11:58 AM
We'll see what happens when the vote happens, or doesn't.
Either way, to think that the R's could do this fast is laughable.
There is a reason it Obamacare took so long, cause it is complicated and messy.

Also, I've been away for a few days.
I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
Mar 24, 2017 11:58am
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Mar 24, 2017 12:05 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1843664 wrote: Also, I've been away for a few days.
I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
There would be idiots complaining about it either way, just like the vacation expenses run up by the president from the other side. It's beneath actual grownups.
Mar 24, 2017 12:05pm
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Mar 24, 2017 12:35 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1843664 wrote:We'll see what happens when the vote happens, or doesn't.
Either way, to think that the R's could do this fast is laughable.
There is a reason it Obamacare took so long, cause it is complicated and messy.

Also, I've been away for a few days.
I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
It's a horrible alternative. "If" they vote I hope it fails and the current Affordable Care Act continues to live out to it's gruesome death.
Mar 24, 2017 12:35pm
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Mar 24, 2017 12:41 PM
I believe the real fuel to this effort is tax reform. I think the Pubs will struggle with tax reform with this mandate hanging over their heads.
Mar 24, 2017 12:41pm
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Mar 24, 2017 12:45 PM
@*RyanLizza Nunes essentially blew up the investigation because he realized the scope of what he negotiated with Schiff could actually threaten Trump.



Nunes is the head of House committee investing Trump-Russia ties, he also happened to have been on Trump's transition team...pure corruption.

I'm more than 50% sure this is the biggest political scandal in American History but much less than 50% that it'll actually get punished.

This admin has so many fuck-ups.
Mar 24, 2017 12:45pm
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Mar 24, 2017 1:33 PM
QuakerOats;1843635 wrote:Obviously it will implode --- Marxism never works.
Said unironically as his party's leaders desperstely try to pass Obamacare lite.
Mar 24, 2017 1:33pm
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Mar 24, 2017 1:55 PM
Embarrassing that they had 7 years to get something done and it fails to even make it out of the house. What a failure. What will happen is Obamacare will stay and fail just in time for the Dems to regain control and pass Single Payer.

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Mar 24, 2017 1:55pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:09 PM
I believe there's a vote scheduled for today at 3:30
Mar 24, 2017 2:09pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:24 PM
Wolves of Babylon;1843701 wrote:Embarrassing that they had 7 years to get something done and it fails to even make it out of the house. What a failure. What will happen is Obamacare will stay and fail just in time for the Dems to regain control and pass Single Payer.

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Don't worry - Obamacare isn't going to fail and,we will never have single payer.
Mar 24, 2017 2:24pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:30 PM
BoatShoes;1843710 wrote:Don't worry - Obamacare isn't going to fail and,we will never have single payer.
Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?
Mar 24, 2017 2:30pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:35 PM
queencitybuckeye;1843712 wrote:Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?
ACA is full of problems, but prices were increasing before it was implemented...
Mar 24, 2017 2:35pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:40 PM
And then prices increased at much faster rates, despite the promise of lower costs -- $2,500 as I recall. And on top of that, deductibles went through the roof, so now you have a plan that you cannot afford, and cannot afford to use. And on top of that, your choices were reduced. It is nothing more than forced redistribution wrought upon The People by radical leftists, socialists and Marxists. Kill it!
Mar 24, 2017 2:40pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:41 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1843714 wrote:ACA is full of problems, but prices were increasing before it was implemented...
Some of the reported increases I've read for those on the plan are higher annually than my increases over more than a decade. Certainly not sustainable.
Mar 24, 2017 2:41pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:42 PM
QuakerOats;1843716 wrote:And then prices increased at much faster rates, despite the promise of lower costs -- $2,500 as I recall. And on top of that, deductibles went through the roof, so now you have a plan that you cannot afford, and cannot afford to use. And on top of that, your choices were reduced. It is nothing more than forced redistribution wrought upon The People by radical leftists, socialists and Marxists. Kill it!
Again, ACA sucks, but just removing it will not stop the rise of health insurance. It's a little more complicated than just saying repeal and everything will be fine! Free market!
Mar 24, 2017 2:42pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:43 PM
If government would get the hell out of the way and allow supply and demand to work we would be far, far better off.
Mar 24, 2017 2:43pm
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Mar 24, 2017 2:49 PM
QuakerOats;1843719 wrote:If government would get the hell out of the way and allow supply and demand to work we would be far, far better off.
In theory yes, but practice, I doubt it.
If I am an insurance company, why the hell would I want to cover someone who smokes, has a history of cancer in the family, in a coal mining area, and barely makes any money? Why would I take that risk? I would not want to cover them, or if I am going to, set the deductible so high it makes it not worth it.
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Mar 24, 2017 3:01 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1843720 wrote:In theory yes, but practice, I doubt it.
If I am an insurance company, why the hell would I want to cover someone who smokes, has a history of cancer in the family, in a coal mining area, and barely makes any money? Why would I take that risk. I would not want to cover them, or if I am going to, set the deductible so high it makes it not worth it?
Why should anyone be forced to? I'm sympathetic, but how does that justify coercion?
Mar 24, 2017 3:01pm
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Mar 24, 2017 3:08 PM
queencitybuckeye;1843722 wrote:Why should anyone be forced to? I'm sympathetic, but how does that justify coercion?
Yeah, that's the hard part to square. How do you ensure that people can pay for healthcare, yet balance individual freedom?
I don't know the answer, but do know the ACA and the ACHA do not even come close to addressing the core problem. Also, the free market will not address it.
Mar 24, 2017 3:08pm
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Mar 25, 2017 4:33 PM
queencitybuckeye;1843712 wrote:Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?
Well they mean fail by insurance death spiral which isn't going to.

In the wake of the failure to repeal Obamacare, if the rest of the states take the medicaid money and pull more sick people out of the marketplace pools this should cause prices to stabilize.

So while you might think 24 million people getting health insurance with the cost of higher premiums for the healthy is failure - that is not what people mean when they say that Obamacare is going to implode IMHO.
Mar 25, 2017 4:33pm