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Nov 15, 2016 12:42 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824690 wrote:thats the joke.

i cant think of another time i even see anything about the Surgeon General.

By chance did you ever serve in the military?
Nov 15, 2016 12:42pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:43 PM
Con_Alma;1824691 wrote:By chance did you ever serve in the military?
no, how bout you?
Nov 15, 2016 12:43pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:49 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824692 wrote:no, how bout you?
I did not but I had a father who did and a child who is at a service academy with plans to serve after their degree. The Surgeon General can be pretty influential on a variety of issues...some that were highlighted throughout the recent election campaign.

I can see how the vast majority of people wouldn't really care who the Surgeon General is. Those in the military and especially officers certainly do. That's why when the question was asked who would care, I answered those in the military. Thought it would be surprising if you served and didn't see much of an impact on what the SG does.
Nov 15, 2016 12:49pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:51 PM
Con_Alma;1824694 wrote:I did not but I had a father who did and a child who is at a service academy with plans to serve after their degree. The Surgeon General can be pretty influential on a variety of issues...some that were highlighted throughout the recent election campaign.

I can see how the vast majority of people wouldn't really care who the Surgeon General is. Those in the military and especially officers certainly do. That's why when the question was asked who would care, I answered those in the military. Thought it would be surprising if you served and didn't see much of an impact on what the SG does.
Nope never did. My father was in the army during Vietnam too. And that's cool about your son. Which academy?
Nov 15, 2016 12:51pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:52 PM
Con_Alma;1824694 wrote:I did not but I had a father who did and a child who is at a service academy with plans to serve after their degree. The Surgeon General can be pretty influential on a variety of issues...some that were highlighted throughout the recent election campaign.

I can see how the vast majority of people wouldn't really care who the Surgeon General is. Those in the military and especially officers certainly do. That's why when the question was asked who would care, I answered those in the military. Thought it would be surprising if you served and didn't see much of an impact on what the SG does.
Again, serious question - is he/she responsible for the dreadful medical care our veterans receive?
Nov 15, 2016 12:52pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:53 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824695 wrote:Nope never did. My father was in the army during Vietnam too. And that's cool about your son. Which academy?
There's really only one service academy in our house and it's on the east coast. ;)
Nov 15, 2016 12:53pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:55 PM
Con_Alma;1824697 wrote:There's really only one service academy in our house and it's on the east coast. ;)
Well that narrows it down to 2.
Nov 15, 2016 12:55pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:58 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824699 wrote:Well that narrows it down to 2.
Three, actually.
Nov 15, 2016 12:58pm
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Nov 15, 2016 12:58 PM
queencitybuckeye;1824696 wrote:Again, serious question - is he/she responsible for the dreadful medical care our veterans receive?
Responsible?? I would say that probably yes, they would be. He/she holds supervisory responsibility over Public Health Service Commissioned Corps activities.
Nov 15, 2016 12:58pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:01 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824699 wrote:Well that narrows it down to 2.

A river bank ain't a coast.

...and it's sad that the Coast Guard and Merchant Marine aren't often mentioned/thought of on my part when referring to the bigger academies. My son is in his plebe year at the USNA.
Nov 15, 2016 1:01pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:01 PM
queencitybuckeye;1824700 wrote:Three, actually.
I guess 4 actually. I usually only consider Air Force, Army, and Navy.. but Coast Guard and Merchant Marine are on the East Coast too.
Nov 15, 2016 1:01pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:03 PM
yep
Nov 15, 2016 1:03pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:03 PM
Con_Alma;1824667 wrote:No Surgeon General for Carson. He said he's not interested.
I might actually respect him more for this. Regardless of the administration, it's nice to see someone turn down a cabinet position, assuming it was on principle.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1824672 wrote:As long as Chris Christie is there, nothing will fit in a cabinet.
He'd have to stay in the cupboard.
sleeper;1824684 wrote:Not normally no. But I don't want a guy who didn't dismiss the Anti-vaxxers as being lunatics being in charge of public health policy.
I don't mind someone being diplomatic and not calling a portion of the population "lunatics," though I think the anti-vaccination movement has potentially dangerous consequences (assuming it grows large enough to have a widespread effect). Did he espouse the anti-vax position? Refuse to come out against it? Or just not to a strong enough degree?
Nov 15, 2016 1:03pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:12 PM
I'm not sure if Trump is just taking his time or has no idea what the hell he is doing.
Today, the DOD stated they have not been contacted at all about the transition.
Nov 15, 2016 1:12pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:18 PM
queencitybuckeye;1824682 wrote:Serious question, is there a reason why anyone should give a fuck about the Surgeon General?
I would have rather Dr. Carson become Education Secretary; of course, maybe we are going to do away with the federal Department of Education; which would be fantastic.
Nov 15, 2016 1:18pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:21 PM
queencitybuckeye;1824696 wrote:Again, serious question - is he/she responsible for the dreadful medical care our veterans receive?
We can only hope that welfare benefits become as hard to get as VA benefits.
Nov 15, 2016 1:21pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:22 PM
I don't mind someone being diplomatic and not calling a portion of the population "lunatics," though I think the anti-vaccination movement has potentially dangerous consequences (assuming it grows large enough to have a widespread effect). Did he espouse the anti-vax position? Refuse to come out against it? Or just not to a strong enough degree?
He was asked at the debate, as a doctor, his opinion of vaccinations. He basically said something, paraphrasing, that people should make up their own minds about these issues and make the best choice for their family.

There's one study, a study which the researcher came out and said it was an awful study, that shows a link between autism and vaccines. Ben Carson had an opportunity to crush this harmful idea and he completely failed.
Nov 15, 2016 1:22pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:23 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1824707 wrote:I'm not sure if Trump is just taking his time or has no idea what the hell he is doing.
Today, the DOD stated they have not been contacted at all about the transition.
It's the latter. Book it.
Nov 15, 2016 1:23pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:51 PM
QuakerOats;1824708 wrote:I would have rather Dr. Carson become Education Secretary; of course, maybe we are going to do away with the federal Department of Education; which would be fantastic.

What I read was that Dr. Carson was not interesting in serving in his cabinet at all.
"Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has told President-elect Donald Trump that he isn't interested in serving as secretary of Health and Human Services, a Carson ally confirmed to The Hill on Tuesday.
Business manager and close friend Armstrong Williams said Carson won't join the incoming Trump administration and would only serve as an unofficial adviser. "

That was from The Hill also.
Nov 15, 2016 1:51pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:51 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1824707 wrote:I'm not sure if Trump is just taking his time or has no idea what the hell he is doing.
Today, the DOD stated they have not been contacted at all about the transition.
Blame the new transition coordinator, VP elect.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306125-wh-transition-work-with-trump-team-on-hold
Nov 15, 2016 1:51pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:59 PM
QuakerOats;1824708 wrote:I would have rather Dr. Carson become Education Secretary; of course, maybe we are going to do away with the federal Department of Education; which would be fantastic.
Yes let's appoint an Education head who thinks the Pyramids were built to store grain and that the Earth is only 4,000 years old.

We already have a climate change denier non-scientist leading the EPA and an anti-Semitic white nationalist as Chief of Staff. Why not go for the trifecta of morons in office?
Nov 15, 2016 1:59pm
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Nov 15, 2016 1:59 PM
jedbartlet02;1824633 wrote:Remember when people gave Obama shit for "stacking" his admin with friends and campaign supporters?

Tell me what all this people have in common with Donald Trump:

Newt Gingrich
Rudy Guiliani
Ann Coulter
Ben Carson
Steve Bannon
Linda McMahon
Chris Christie
Congratulations. For some they need to be on the other side of the coin to begin to understand what it all actually means.
Nov 15, 2016 1:59pm
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Nov 15, 2016 2:06 PM
Con_Alma;1824716 wrote:Blame the new transition coordinator, VP elect.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306125-wh-transition-work-with-trump-team-on-hold
Yeah, I saw that.
Seems like the whole Christie thing has totally screwed them so far.
Still, the fact the DOD has not been contacted at all is not a good look.
But, we are only just a week since the election.
Nov 15, 2016 2:06pm
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Nov 15, 2016 2:49 PM
sleeper;1824710 wrote:He was asked at the debate, as a doctor, his opinion of vaccinations. He basically said something, paraphrasing, that people should make up their own minds about these issues and make the best choice for their family.

There's one study, a study which the researcher came out and said it was an awful study, that shows a link between autism and vaccines. Ben Carson had an opportunity to crush this harmful idea and he completely failed.
Okay, then I agree with you. I'm glad he's not going to be in the Cabinet.
Nov 15, 2016 2:49pm
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Nov 16, 2016 10:32 AM
sleeper;1824724 wrote:Yes let's appoint an Education head who thinks the Pyramids were built to store grain and that the Earth is only 4,000 years old.

We already have a climate change denier non-scientist leading the EPA and an anti-Semitic white nationalist as Chief of Staff. Why not go for the trifecta of morons in office?

We don't need an education head because we don't need the federal Department of Education. Return it to the states, now.


And we don't need a First Lady dictating school lunch menus from Washington D.C., either.
Nov 16, 2016 10:32am